campaign against welfare cuts and poverty

[ViolentPanda]

Education isn't "finite", neither are rent controls, or other measures to deal with squalor and ignorance. Nothing "finate" in dealing with the spread of disease either.

Quite. Finiteness, even for some refined materials, isn't "perfect". To give a simple example, many rare metals are recyclable to some degree, even from complex consumer products like micro-electronics.
Probably the most immediate issue to do with finite capacity is food production, but even there, we're not sure what that capacity is, and when it will be overmatched.

For someone claiming two PhD's you don't half come out with a load of old trite and is clearly suckered into believing the neo-con school of thought.

To be fair, Francis Fukyourmama and Sam Cuntingdon have Phds, and they've both grooved on neo-con and neolib ideology. Degree of education isn't inversely proportional to ignorance, stupidity or cuntitude!

 

[weepiper]

Yep. I remember having to explain this to my sister when her husband first buggered off and left her in the lurch, and how, unless she wanted herself and her kids to become increasingly unhealthy, she had to get the bugger to cough up for his kids, because what the state would give her wouldn't cover it.
Just another shitty indication of how much of an afterthought children are in so much policy.

I might print it out and staple it to my kids' dad's nice expensive leather sofa.

 

[Ash Mahay]

So, you were most likely born some time between the late '50s and late '60s, otherwise you wouldn't have experienced the overlap between approved schools and Borstals, and later, DCs. You also wouldn't have been able to access higher ed in the UK anywhere near as simply, however brilliant you are, what with most people born in the '70s having had a partial grant at best, rather than a full one.

With the law of averages someone had to make a correct guess eventually, although the grant comment is irrelevant as I never had one.

As for qualifications, in my opinion anyone (whatever their circumstances) who sees them as a validation kind of misses the point.

Dont they validate that that person has that Knowledge?

It may be a sign of weakness but dont you think some people of my sort of background, at some point, might need, or benefit from that form of validation?

 

[Ash Mahay]

Of course they are, but your point is too simplistic.
Budgets aren't apples, and apples are (for the purposes of defining them as a resource) a renewable resource. In other words, while some resources are definitively finite (minerals, ores etc), others aren't, so lumping everything together under the rubric of "If resources are finite (which they are in this present world)..." misses the point, unless you're some kind of ideologically-committed Malthusian.
Of course, if you were a Malthusian, one would expect you to have the courage of your convictions, and to have stated the most obvious solution to resource scarcity (which you haven't), so you're probably not a Malthusian.

Please tell me youre playing over simplistic semantics here and that your understanding of basic economics really isnt that poor.

Sure there are renewables and recyclables but they are definrd as finite on the basis that they have a finite worth.

You knew that didnt you & you were just trying to be clever?

Lets not take this back to Johnny & apple production as Im really not here to teach such basics & if that was the level here Id be better off signing up at some kids forum lol

 

[ViolentPanda]

With the law of averages someone had to make a correct guess eventually, although the grant comment is irrelevant as I never had one.

Hmm, the only person I know from that era who didn't have a grant, was me, and that was due to a series of unlikely circumstances which didn't really matter because I'd already saved the money to put me through my first degree.

Dont they validate that that person has that Knowledge?

Not really, only that the person absorbed/had the knowledge for long enough to get the qualification, not that they retained it!

It may be a sign of weakness but dont you think some people of my sort of background, at some point, might need, or benefit from that form of validation?

I think that some people, whatever their situation or background, need it. I also think that many people, whatever their situation or background, don't need it. They might enjoy validation, but it's not some form of existential necessity unless you so uncertain of yourself that you require it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Please tell me youre playing over simplistic semantics here and that your understanding of basic economics really isnt that poor.

Sure there are renewables and recyclables but they are definrd as finite on the basis that they have a finite worth.

You knew that didnt you & you were just trying to be clever?

Lets not take this back to Johnny & apple production as Im really not here to teach such basics & if that was the level here Id be better off signing up at some kids forum lol

Actually, the reason I wrote it was to see where your argument proceeded from. Now I know.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I might print it out and staple it to my kids' dad's nice expensive leather sofa.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving character!

 

[stuff_it]

Lol youre not a very good reader of people are you. Did you fail to notice my name?

I dont really think with my surname Im likely to be at the front of a national front march against immagration, do you?

lol

You know it's funny, but my birth certificate doesn't actually say stuff_it.

I had completely forgotten that the only racists, bigots and right wingers in the world are members of the National Front, thanks for the reminder we all so clearly needed.

 

[treelover]

This 'debate' really shouldn't be on a sticky about campaigns, challenges(such as they are) to the Govt's welfare reforms...

 

[Ash Mahay]

Not really, only that the person absorbed/had the knowledge for long enough to get the qualification, not that they retained it!

The picture is becoming clearer! So semantics & circles is your bag?

Ok so it only validates that the person had absorbed enough info at that moment etc.

After a few posts of verbal masturbation though were still basically at the same (relatively unimportant point).

Im guessing this is your usual m.o?

Run it around for a few posts playing circles and semantics & then claim to have used the other person as canon fodder when theyve got bored & pissed off?

;-)

Ive played that game before lol

Ok we can define the validation in anyway that pleases you. Do you have another point?

 

[Ash Mahay]

Actually, the reason I wrote it was to see where your argument proceeded from. Now I know.

lol I had to like that answer. So you only talked drivel to see where my answer came from?

How convenient that youre not really that ignorant but only playing lol

Its a good job youre going VERY VERY EASY on Me!

 

[ViolentPanda]

The picture is becoming clearer! So semantics & circles is your bag?

Ok so it only validates that the person had absorbed enough info at that moment etc.

After a few posts of verbal masturbation though were still basically at the same (relatively unimportant point).

Im guessing this is your usual m.o?

Run it around for a few posts playing circles and semantics & then claim to have used the other person as canon fodder when theyve got bored & pissed off?

No-one claimed to have used you as cannon-fodder, you arse.

;-)

Ive played that game before lol

Ok we can define the validation in anyway that pleases you. Do you have another point?

Do you have any?

As for "semantics", it's not about semantics, it's about clarity - about establishing if what one poster says/means is what another poster understands them to say/mean, and about not assuming that such is the case. As a veteran of the internet, surely you've noticed that text-based communication is one of those areas where clarity is to be preferred?
Or maybe not, eh?

 

[ViolentPanda]

lol I had to like that answer. So you only talked drivel to see where my answer came from?

How convenient that youre not really that ignorant but only playing lol

Its a good job youre going VERY VERY EASY on Me!

I didn't talk drivel, I made a point. Your answer to that point indicated something I wished to know - where your understanding of economics proceeds from. It's as simple as that.

 

[stuff_it]

This 'debate' really shouldn't be on a sticky about campaigns, challenges(such as they are) to the Govt's welfare reforms...

People like Ash clearly *are* a challenge to the anti-cuts campaign, tbf.

Anyway, seeing as resources are supposedly finite should we ban eating meat? It's very resource heavy for what you get and most of it these days is poor quality - a bit like our trolls have gone.

lol I had to like that answer. So you only talked drivel to see where my answer came from?

How convenient that youre not really that ignorant but only playing lol

Its a good job youre going VERY VERY EASY on Me!

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[ViolentPanda]

You know it's funny, but my birth certificate doesn't actually say stuff_it.

So your middle name isn't "bumfinger"?

I had completely forgotten that the only racists, bigots and right wingers in the world are members of the National Front, thanks for the reminder we all so clearly needed.

If only life were that simple! Can you imagine how much easier that would have made/make physical force anti-fascism?
As it is, we have plenty of white and BME bigots, racists and right-wingers to go with the douche nozzles who join the NF. Colour and creed don't come into it, unfortunately.

 

[ViolentPanda]

TBF, I'm hoping Mr. Mahay will shift his ideas about the non-sustainability of welfare onto a fresh thread, so that this one can get back to its original purpose. That way, his ideas can be supported/challenged/laughed at/lauded without derailing a thread that was set up for a specific reason (even though it does occasionally wander off-track).

 

[stuff_it]

TBF, I'm hoping Mr. Mahay will shift his ideas about the non-sustainability of welfare onto a fresh thread, so that this one can get back to its original purpose. That way, his ideas can be supported/challenged/laughed at/lauded without derailing a thread that was set up for a specific reason (even though it does occasionally wander off-track).

TBF you have to admit that he was being fairly non-traditionalist in not just wandering in, posting up an inflammatory thread title and then scarper. Just not that in to nuskool trolling unless it's funny.

 

[BigTom]

Of course there is.

If Johnny has 5 apples there is a limit of 5 apples that he can give away.

Its pre even basic economics.

If resources are finite (which they are in this present world) then if one spends more & more then eventually they reach a limit.

I know thats an over simplistic answer but is there anyone who isnt aware of these facts?

Let's step out of analogy here, there's no need for it. What is the thing that you are using to define a limit - what is the total number of apples analagous to in the real world?

over simplistic is not often a good thing in economics and there's no need to simplify this with analogies.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course there is.

If Johnny has 5 apples there is a limit of 5 apples that he can give away.

Its pre even basic economics.

If resources are finite (which they are in this present world) then if one spends more & more then eventually they reach a limit.

I know thats an over simplistic answer but is there anyone who isnt aware of these facts?

What if you have an apple tree? This isn't even at the level of "pre even basic economics."

 

[ViolentPanda]

TBF you have to admit that he was being fairly non-traditionalist in not just wandering in, posting up an inflammatory thread title and then scarper. Just not that in to nuskool trolling unless it's funny.

I don't believe he's a troll of any sort. More a poster in the style of J.Scone or Mustardid, who were happier feeling that they are/were an "odd man out" on a board, and who couldn't be arsed to explain what informs their posts.

 

[stuff_it]

I don't believe he's a troll of any sort. More a poster in the style of J.Scone or Mustardid, who were happier feeling that they are/were an "odd man out" on a board, and who couldn't be arsed to explain what informs their posts.

Perhaps he should bimble over to Threads and Dreads for some shampoo advice?

 

[ViolentPanda]

What if you have an apple tree? This isn't even at the level of "pre even basic economics."

Apple trees are finite, apparently.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Perhaps he should bimble over to Threads and Dreads for some shampoo advice?

Baby shampoo? Why we were lucky if we didn't get our 'eads scoured with Vim and then rinsed with cold piss when I were a bairn!

 

[DaveCinzano]

What if you have an apple tree? This isn't even at the level of "pre even basic economics."

Apple trees are finite, apparently.

Apples don't grow on trees you know

 

[ViolentPanda]

Apples don't grow on trees you know

You killed the thread, Dave.

 

[DaveCinzano]

TRUTH HURTS

 

[ViolentPanda]

So does a kick in the apples!

 

[DaveCinzano]

You're mixing up apples and oranges. Or plums.

 

[stuff_it]

You're mixing up apples and oranges. Or plums.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

No need to get ugli about it!