campaign against welfare cuts and poverty

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Fucking hell, what on earth is that? That would stop just about anyone with a severe physical disability claiming, just because they had limbs that they couldn't use properly - or at all.

Well you'll just have to go to work then won't you.

Cunts

 

[ViolentPanda]

What? What the fuck's that supposed to mean?

It means "don't bother claiming unless you're a double amputee or so fucked you're likely to kark soon, you plebian scum".
It's total bullshit, but the worst thing is it'll directly discourage people from claiming something they're entitled to.

I'm writing (post and fax) to my MP and asking him to take this up with the appropriate minister. Can I suggest that others do the same? This piece of black propaganda shouldn't be allowed to stand!

 

[ViolentPanda]

i know. there was a recent pilot, which presumably this is the outcome of, which was designed to "prevent pointless claims" or some such nonsense. as a welfare rights adviser, our fall back position is always, make the claim and get a decision, so at least you know. this is effectively designed to put people off claiming basically and quite outrageous imo, when you have ~£16b of unclaimed benefits every year!

It's fucking despicable, and yet again playing on the ingrained reticence of people to claim what they might view as "charity" or a "handout". If I hadn't filled out claim forms for people I know, they would've bought in to bullshit like that "checklist" and not bothered.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fucking hell, what on earth is that? That would stop just about anyone with a severe physical disability claiming, just because they had limbs that they couldn't use properly - or at all.

Bullshit, isn't it?

 

[_angel_]

Bullshit, isn't it?

Do we actually know that they aren't planning to make that the new 'stringent' criteria tho?

on the subject of complaining to the government, one of their own reports describes DLA in terms that make it look as if it is a benefit only paid out to unemployed people. :x

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do we actually know that they aren't planning to make that the new 'stringent' criteria tho?

Nope. for all we know, that could be their intention to do exactly that.

on the subject of complaining to the government, one of their own reports describes DLA in terms that make it look as if it is a benefit only paid out to unemployed people. :x

Which is, of course, a bag of arse.

 

[TAE]

If no, you are not likely to qualify for DLA.

They very clearly 'forgot' about people with terminal cancer ... or something .. because I had no problem getting it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They very clearly 'forgot' about people with terminal cancer ... or something .. because I had no problem getting it.

Quite. It's a pretty blatant attempt at a "scare tactic" so that even more people will forego claiming than already do.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

They very clearly 'forgot' about people with terminal cancer ... or something .. because I had no problem getting it.

terminally ill people have, rather scarily, been found not to have a limited capability for work under Employment and Support Allowance assessments, quaintly called the Work Capability Assessment. needless to say, they, and ~65% of appellants more widely, have been winning appeals against these flagrantly incorrect decisions. Needless to say, the government proposes cutting funding for legal advice services whilst similtaneously proposing plans which are ridiculous against a "scroungers" media storm. quite shameful tbf. there are any number of improvements to services that could be held up, from improved staff training, improved strategies that aim to enhance, rather than reduce, take-up of entitlements, progressive use of rules that allow people the time and space to work when they can, and be sure of support when they can't.

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Got an e-mail just now with a link to this blog
Campaigning against the government's distressing war on disabled benefit claimants

http://wheresthebenefit.blogspot.com/
ain't had a chance to read thru it all yet but looks like it might be worth bookmarking

 

[Flavour]

my god i hate nick robinson. ive just seen him on the bbc news asking people would they rather see the cuts in public services or benefits, and people were apparently saying 'benefits', but it's totally fucking retarded. if you cut benefits, crime will increase, stress on public services will increase (and no more money will be spent on them, they just wont be cut 'as much'), and if you cut public services, this creates unemployment, ergo, more spending on benefits!!

FUCK OFF NICK ROBINSON

FUCK OFF NICK CLEGG

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF

I WANT TO BLOW UP A BANK

 

[dynamicbaddog]

my god i hate nick robinson. ive just seen him on the bbc news asking people would they rather see the cuts in public services or benefits, and people were apparently saying 'benefits',

yeah every time I listen to phone -in shows on the radio etc there's always people ringing up being very anti benefits.
I guess it's because wages/working conditions are so shitty that a lot of people in employment mistakenly see those on benefits as having an easy life at their expense. I don't know how we can get round this enormous problem and win back support for the welfare system amongst the general public

 

[frogwoman]

my god i hate nick robinson. ive just seen him on the bbc news asking people would they rather see the cuts in public services or benefits, and people were apparently saying 'benefits', but it's totally fucking retarded. if you cut benefits, crime will increase, stress on public services will increase (and no more money will be spent on them, they just wont be cut 'as much'), and if you cut public services, this creates unemployment, ergo, more spending on benefits!!

FUCK OFF NICK ROBINSON

FUCK OFF NICK CLEGG

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF

I WANT TO BLOW UP A BANK

Scabbed on several BBC strikes.

 

[_angel_]

yeah every time I listen to phone -in shows on the radio etc there's always people ringing up being very anti benefits.
I guess it's because wages/working conditions are so shitty that a lot of people in employment mistakenly see those on benefits as having an easy life at their expense. I don't know how we can get round this enormous problem and win back support for the welfare system amongst the general public

I am not convinced they're representative, that's what these right wingers want you to believe. How many people with opposing views a) get the same air time and b) even ring in radio phone ins, let's face it most people that do that are quite mad! I heard one bloke say everyone under the age 26 should be in the army!!!! Another said the govt should pay everyone's private health insurance because it would be cheaper than the NHS! Utterly insane.

 

[Mungy]

looking at the anti benefits groups on facebook and some of my "friends of friends" views on benefits and unemployment, there is a strong anti benefit sentiment throughout society. They are being drip fed this poison and they are embracing it. the poor are the new terrorists

 

[dennisr]

the poor are the new terrorists

they were the original terrorists' mate and always have been the target

 

[Mungy]

they were the original terrorists' mate and always have been the target

true enough. i was just being facetious.

 

[rioted]

bollocks ...If you voted you have a right to complain...bollocks

If you voted, you have NO right to complain. You choose to get in the ring, you can expect to get punched.

 

[Streathamite]

Protest at CONEL: College of Haringey, Enfield & North East LondonPROTEST against the CUTS!

Wednesday 29 September, 12.30 – 1pm

outside the college, Tottenham Site
(Tottenham Centre
The College of Haringey, Enfield and North East London
High Road
London
N15 4RU)

The government is planning massive cuts in education:
25 and 40% over 4 years from the Adult skills budget
10-25% from the 16-18 budget
UP to 80,000 jobs and 800,000 places could be lost!


Join the UCU to Defend Jobs and Education!

Organised by UCU for European TUC Day of Action against the cuts

Please, anyone who can make it, please be there. 2010 is the year to stand up and be heard. THis is your kids' future these bastards are fucking with

 

[trevhagl]

yeah every time I listen to phone -in shows on the radio etc there's always people ringing up being very anti benefits.
I guess it's because wages/working conditions are so shitty that a lot of people in employment mistakenly see those on benefits as having an easy life at their expense. I don't know how we can get round this enormous problem and win back support for the welfare system amongst the general public

that is basically it - and ignorance

 

[trevhagl]

I am not convinced they're representative, that's what these right wingers want you to believe. How many people with opposing views a) get the same air time and b) even ring in radio phone ins, let's face it most people that do that are quite mad! I heard one bloke say everyone under the age 26 should be in the army!!!! Another said the govt should pay everyone's private health insurance because it would be cheaper than the NHS! Utterly insane.

i think a lot of such people are odious loners with no friends , no partner because no one will put up with them . The phone in host is their only friend. These are the creeps at work who grass up their workmates, scab during strikes etc, kiss boss arse

 

[TAE]

I don't know how we can get round this enormous problem and win back support for the welfare system amongst the general public

The germans have a word which translates as "social insurance" and that's how I've always seen the whole setup. It's not "hand-outs" but rather you pay your contributions when you can and then get help when you need it.

 

[trevhagl]

Scabbed on several BBC strikes.

you do surprise me

 

[trevhagl]

The germans have a word which translates as "social insurance" and that's how I've always seen the whole setup. It's not "hand-outs" but rather you pay your contributions when you can and then get help when you need it.

or in the UKs case you pay national insurance you get fuck all back unless you are really really determined

 

[frogwoman]

you do surprise me

I'm talking about nick robinson here just in case anyone gets the wrong idea

 

[_angel_]

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/consultations/

The DWP want you to tell them what you think about conditionality here. Surprisingly, just about every post has been well thought out and considered that I've read (obv no one's told the Daily Mail brigade yet - can't be long though).

 

[trevhagl]

I'm talking about nick robinson here just in case anyone gets the wrong idea

aye we got you, fucking Bear from Bo Selecter creepy cunt

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Pilot scheme to reassess Incapacity Benefit claimants launched today in north-east Scotland and Burnley
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11510726

 

[trevhagl]

Pilot scheme to reassess Incapacity Benefit claimants launched today in north-east Scotland and Burnley
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11510726

sounds like what they and New Labour have been doing for the last few years only harsher ie try to cut the figures down, spend thousands on appeals, and lose

 

[Imagine]

At his first PMQs Ed Miliband has just pledged support for the ConDems on DLA and sickness benefits cuts "as these reforms (sic) need to be done".