very good spot, deserves its own thread
They are doing everything they wanted to do in the 80's and Labour are silent or endorsing it all.
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very good spot, deserves its own thread
They are doing everything they wanted to do in the 80's and Labour are silent or endorsing it all.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Pissed off with the Spartacus report too. It's actually advocating MORE assessments for ill and disabled claiming ESA so people can be further assessed for what they CAN do enabling MORE info sent to JC+ Disability advisers about their abilities and disabilities so they can be crammed into imaginary work somewhere once employers take on board their needs and make adaptations and changes for them.
Yeah that's gonna work. More stress, costs and profits for poverty pimps.
Yeah that's gonna work. More stress, costs and profits for poverty pimps.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Fucking sick of sue march being the supposed face of disability campaigning. her Passive/agressive pushing of this report all over the place was boakworthy.
Yes, as a senior party member, she seems to be following a New Labour line, I used to think she was fantastic and she is a great campaigner, but have my doubts about her direction now
Oh, and another thing, these latest cruel and petty measures were certainly signed off by Clegg who recently said "we must sharpen the incentives to work"
Oh, and another thing, these latest cruel and petty measures were certainly signed off by Clegg who recently said "we must sharpen the incentives to work"
Next, Osborne is to send his pie chart detailing government expenditure to millions of people, it has a a massive category labelled simply "welfare" which is not broken down into what he is actually spending in the various categories such as pensions which take up the bulk of spending, disgustingly it will also include social care* and of course taxpayers will be paying for this little missive.
*reminding one of "the citizen, this imbecile will cost you 30'000 Reich's Marks" of the 1930's
*reminding one of "the citizen, this imbecile will cost you 30'000 Reich's Marks" of the 1930's
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Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
She's (Marsh) looking for a wee ermine seat in the Lords. That's so obvious as to be a slap in the face.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Get your hero worship ironed and ready 
Arent you being a tad unfair?
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
No, I don't think so. There's an obvious serious connection to the Labour party there and her rhetoric takes that into consideration all the time. The latest sparty report, as I said, is calling for more WCA type assessments to get people with serious illnesses and disabilities off benefits and into work when the call should be to scrap the damned thing completely.
She has been using passive/agressive posts on social media to get people behind it and saying it's been well received everywhere when it hasn't. Well perhaps by those who follow her unthinkingly and politicals who can use it to continue ESA claimant bashing.
I honestly thought when Sparty started talking to other groups like Black Triangle and DPAC that it would make a difference to the academic based think tank that Spartacus seems to have become.
Sue is just the face of that because of her following and possible influence in the Labour party.
We don't take any other politics or think tank type reports and people at face value so why should we blindly follow Sue and accept all she is and stands for.
We are not spoons.
She has been using passive/agressive posts on social media to get people behind it and saying it's been well received everywhere when it hasn't. Well perhaps by those who follow her unthinkingly and politicals who can use it to continue ESA claimant bashing.
I honestly thought when Sparty started talking to other groups like Black Triangle and DPAC that it would make a difference to the academic based think tank that Spartacus seems to have become.
Sue is just the face of that because of her following and possible influence in the Labour party.
We don't take any other politics or think tank type reports and people at face value so why should we blindly follow Sue and accept all she is and stands for.
We are not spoons.
The report suggests that a 'caseworker' meet with the prospective claimant several times, gathering evidence, before submitting this for a final decision, possibly in the claimant's home.
Is this what you mean?
I share your concerns about proximity to the labour party, same with Jack Monroe.
Is this what you mean?
I share your concerns about proximity to the labour party, same with Jack Monroe.
Ah, that is very revealing, this is exactly what is happening with social care in many areas of the U.K:, when you apply for a care assessment now you start off with a process called 'reablement' where someone from a private agency spends at least six weeks intensive in your home, teaching a client how to cook, manage day to living, even washing and toileting, its basically Orwellian screening and to get surveillance into the home and only 20% of applicants are finally getting an assessment, It is really cynical stuff, imo. Labour councils are particularly fond of it as it looks like they are doing something when basically they are making cuts.
not many even very disabled people would pass a process where you are observed for six weeks in the home.Certainly, those with MH problems who exhibited even the desire for a bit of life, playing music, ringing friends, etc would be in difficulty.
Frankie, which sites are there where you can express concern with the report?
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Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
If you can find one where the Spoonie brigade don't jump all over it for daring to disagree let me know. Welfare News Service may be posting up articles.. then again... Editor Steve has voiced concerns.
http://welfarenewsservice.com/
http://welfarenewsservice.com/
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Yep. Further stress and hassle when really not needed. All to crowbar people into imaginary jobs.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
TBH between Indyref, WRA, new DWP legislation etc. and trying to help and inform people on many aspects of all of these I'm feeling a tad thinly spread at the moment. I feel a 'pissed' on the horizon.. soon.. 
i can't find much in the way of criticism or even discussion of this rport, including the link above.
J Ed
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Just saw a woman on there threatened with being moved of London unless she became an Avon rep. A mother of five. Jesus.
This is some depressing stuff. That guy in High Wycombe from Brent having to pay to commute as a result of being forced out.
This is a theatre of the fucking insane.
I don't think I can stomch the twitter feed
And there's no guarantee she'll get or succeed the job. It's just a zero hours thing, that sort of work.
I don't agree that purpose of 'welfare' is to engineer people into work. It should be about meeting people's basic needs so they can transcend a life of stress, one day at a time, hand to mouth, living where everything is worry and hassle. Then they can plan for the future and society can help them utilise their skills and abilities for something worthwhile. Not hawking cheap slap for a few hours here and there while trying to feed 5 kids.
J Ed
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We really need someone to do a study on how much self-employment has brought down the unemployment figures, several figures have hinted at the extent of the problem.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
God that program wound me up from start to finish. More than any of those ridiculous 'debates' that have been on in the past few months. It wound me up because it's seeing people at the sharp end of these policies, getting stamped on repeatedly by this fucking snivelling rotten shower of cunts in government. I also felt quite scared because I'm a whisker away from being in a similar situation and there's not a thing I can do about it except find a job but unfortunately there's no job fairy.
tony.c
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I don't know about that. At the end the woman with five kids got a council house in Brent and a job as a nursery worker, and the family who were sent to High Wycombe were returned to London after a review, so they'll say the reforms are working.
It's just bullying.
IDS gets paid a fortune in a party of people who get paid a fortune in a place that costs a fortune and the best he can muster is to push people into absolute dire straits and then have a go at them for not taking a miserable job selling cosmetics. Tha'ts money that could be used to give them a citizens income or at the very least invest in building them a future. Since that lady with 5 kids ended up working in a nursery; why wasn't that the plan at the DWP from the start; assuming that was something she wanted to do (don't know, didn't say), it seems an obvious fit for a mother and a job that helps the community.
Instead it's just the rich bullying the poor and the desperate.
Fuck you Smith, I hope you fucking burn.
IDS gets paid a fortune in a party of people who get paid a fortune in a place that costs a fortune and the best he can muster is to push people into absolute dire straits and then have a go at them for not taking a miserable job selling cosmetics. Tha'ts money that could be used to give them a citizens income or at the very least invest in building them a future. Since that lady with 5 kids ended up working in a nursery; why wasn't that the plan at the DWP from the start; assuming that was something she wanted to do (don't know, didn't say), it seems an obvious fit for a mother and a job that helps the community.
Instead it's just the rich bullying the poor and the desperate.
Fuck you Smith, I hope you fucking burn.
And learn whether any of these people are going to fall foul of having to repay their tax credits because their 'business' didn't earn enough.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I thought I was pretty well versed on social policy but the bit where that woman said 'so Brent council can't afford to pay my rent now but if I'm working they'll pay it all except £4 I have to find myself?' or words to that effect just took my breath away at the stupidity of it. As you say, AW it's just bullying. This isn't about saving money, it's not about support it's about forcing people into meaningless, soul destroying employment to make some other cunt richer than they already are. Avon! FFS! Avon! When you have 5 kids? It's beyond absurd! Help people into work by all means but make sure there's jobs better than going door to door begging people to slather themselves in cosmetic slop for a nominal fee.
Fucking hell I'm beyond fucking angry at this! Fuck the tories, fuck their spineless power hungry rent boys on their knees deep throating their master's spotty, wrinkly 0.5 inch dicks, fuck the pathetic weasel labour party, fuck all the other shitty parties, especially that sack of cheesy bellends that Farage is and fuck the proddy cunting work ethic! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking hell I'm beyond fucking angry at this! Fuck the tories, fuck their spineless power hungry rent boys on their knees deep throating their master's spotty, wrinkly 0.5 inch dicks, fuck the pathetic weasel labour party, fuck all the other shitty parties, especially that sack of cheesy bellends that Farage is and fuck the proddy cunting work ethic! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
J Ed
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If it's as big of a problem as it seems and the system is being abused this way then surely we are going to see huge problems.
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