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Calais: Migration and the UK Border
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sovereignb
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Ive been reluctant to say what I do on this forum but fuck it. I work for social services who provide support to unaccompanied minors and have been in this field of work for around 7 yrs.
As you can imagine, my colleagues and I swear quite a bit. But i haven't got time for people who refer to others as cunts/racists because they don't necessarily agree with their stance on immigration. Particular posters are much more ignorant and closeminded than they would like to think of themselves. Id like to think...actually, I know i have a wealth of knowledge about asylum seekers that reach the UK. Its a forum, people have differences of opinion. I should able to talk to others (on here and the real world) without being aggressive or defensive so expect the same back.
Hush now with any sensible discourse, your opinions aren't welcome here unless they fit the script - This is SPARTA/U75!!!
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tofu eating wokerati
sovereignb We keep hearing that Kent is really stretched in looking after unaccompanied minors. Obviously Kent needs extra resources. You must have a view on kids who are in Jungle 2 right now. What do you think would be best for their welfare? (I'm guessing you don't think staying in the Jungle is an answer.)
What is Jungle2
Show me the OED definition for "swarm" and then we can discuss what he said.
I despise the tories and everything they stand for but the PC brigade leaping on every word just pisses me off......it's lame....hobble, hobble.
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tofu eating wokerati
Jungle 2 is the new rough camp after the original Jungle was demolished. The original Jungle developed after the Sangatte camp was closed. SpookyFrank knows about this first hand. I only know what I read in the press, heaven help me.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ening-conditions-calais-jungle-2-migrant-camp
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ening-conditions-calais-jungle-2-migrant-camp
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tofu eating wokerati
As for 'swarm' it's a noun and a verb. The verb can be military as well. He used it as a noun. I think we all know what he meant.
Ahh is that why the reporter was fecked on S.M after asking if they were going back to the "Jungle"....He was just a massive racist obviously!
France is a big place tbh...Has the UK got any camps with people going the opposite way or others wanting to go Sweden etc. If not I'll setup a Canada camp as I want to live there...I'm sure they will love/hate/welcome me.
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tofu eating wokerati
France takes far more refugees than we do. I suspect Sweden takes even more than France - I'd have to look it up. What is your point?
ETA: some stats here. France takes twice as many refugees as the UK. Sweden takes more than the UK which considering its much smaller population, is amazing.
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e45bb01.html
ETA: some stats here. France takes twice as many refugees as the UK. Sweden takes more than the UK which considering its much smaller population, is amazing.
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e45bb01.html
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
He's a cunt using cunt's language. What's your problem?
I'm feeling massively uncharitable at this moment in time, but my point is can should we just open the borders...can I go live in Canada\US\Aus\Russia\Ghana etc. etc. on a whim?
The fact is the Calais migrants are economic ones. I don't blame them and would do same myself but hate the hand wringing. We should take in more asylum seekers but I see a difference between the two.
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tofu eating wokerati
You have got to be kidding. Where do you get your information that they are economic migrants? Sources, please. What does that even mean when your town is destroyed and the militia are after you?
They are in France already, they are in a "safe space" if that helps your language. Why do you then need to risk your life further unless for economics or preference?
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tofu eating wokerati
No, I don't have a problem with the language and I understand the principle that you are supposed to apply for asylum at the first Euro spot you land on. Actually I suspect life isn't like that for people who haven't read the EU rule book. When you say you'd do the same yourself, do you really mean that? That you'd live in those squalid conditions, then risk your life clinging to a truck or a train? These are desperate people and to label them economic migrants is a convenient way of shunting them off our moral radar. Assuming they even are economic migrants, which many aren't. I'm not saying the UK should instantly open its arms to everyone in Jungle 2 tomorrow (though that would probably solve more problems than it would create). I'm saying we should treat people decently. They should have somewhere clean and safe to stay while they are waiting assessment, and frankly I would turn only criminals away.
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tofu eating wokerati
And ffs in my ideal world I wouldn't be employing Home Office numpties/patsies like the one who denied Ai Wei Wei his business visa.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Many reasons, but usually because they have family here, speak English rather than French, naively believe that colonial history means they will find Britain more culturally accepting etc. Given the level of precarity they live with, such things are less a matter of economics or preference than the difference between being able to survive and not. Tbh though I'm really not sure why you think staying in the Jungle would be something they'd do if they felt there was any other choice - it's not like they're sniffily turning down another slice of cake as French cops beg them to stay.
Anyhoo if you're interested in reading up, there's a decent introduction and lots of background (with a few spelling mistakes) at the Calais Migrant Solidarity website. They've been working on the ground at Calais for four years now and do know their eggs.
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free spirit
more tea vicar?
indeed, what's stopping them from being able to scratch a living as an illegal immigrant in a country where they don't speak the language or have any family, friends or resident communities from their home country living there?
Hard to fathom really isn't it.
Fair enough if you believe anyone who has mistaken ideas about the UK or can speak English can migrate here. I prefer to do it on need and asylum and I don't believe in open borders. I guess we differ.
The transfer of labour is piss poor and I'm in a position that doesn't really labour at all. I'm as guilty as the next man but less so than the ones that judge me on it.
Talks to cat...
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sovereignb
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I honestly don't have the answer for all issues. I only work with ones who reach us via the Home Office rota or who miraculously get dropped off at our offices. Kent districts are obviously feeling the pinch more that other authorities at the moment, because they would have to temporarily support claimants until they are dispersed to local authorities throughout the country.
Its too simple to just say "yes, everyone come in". It would be great if we could somehow prioritise the actual kids in the Jungle and get them to safety, whether it was this country or another. But when you have grown men claiming to be children (and you have absolutely no knowledge of their background other what they are telling you) there is a whole set of other implications when placed in children's homes and foster carers.
I completely see your point about criminal activity, yet you would only really get a sense of those characters when they are already here and things become evident in their daily living. But I guarantee you there would be posters on here that feel either criminal "asylum seekers/migrants" don't exist, or that they are still "entitled" to stay here.
sovereignb
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Not every asylum seeker is coming from those circumstances...you really are being naïve if you believe that.
Many in my experience are coming for a better life - access to education, work and to an extent, housing, under the guise of an asylum claim. Lets just say, that you were genuinely in fear of your life in the UK...would travel under a lorry for thousands miles, risking your life, or would you want to get to the closest, safest place as possible???
Of course, if you had family and friends in that place far far away, would/should you not go to them? Or should you just pretend you don't know anyone and have resources used on you that could be used for those genuinely in need?
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
*Sigh* Of course I realise that not everyone is an actual refugee. But it seems as if we're engaged in an exercise of determining who are the deserving poor. We can perhaps debate the criteria for admitting people to the UK and I'd be more liberal than you (because frankly they have far more to lose than we do) but surely we can agree that there is a better way than this.
Yes we can agree and like I said I would do the same in the situation. Show me a better way?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the fucking swine!
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Personally I'd want to get to the furthest, safest place as possible.
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tofu eating wokerati
There are people on here who know far better than me. I know nothing. But going by first principles I'd restore something like the Sangatte reception centre and spend the money on that that's being wasted on fencing and policing (which isn't achieving anything, just pushing the problem further along) so it's properly staffed and serviced. Blunkett abolished it because he and Sarkozy thought it acted as a magnet. IMO a magnet is better than a sewer. (Not that the UK is such a fantastic magnet as we like to delude ourselves, when you look at the figures.) And I'd have a quick immigration process - and a quick bum's rush for the chancers. The traffickers wouldn't like it, so there might be a bit of local difficulty there.
ETA: Yeah, I know, welcome to cloud cuckoo land.
OK DC what would you do in a sci-fi way?
At least you have some idea...I have none tbh because I am in dental abcess pain yet am scared of the dentist..coward!
Anyway has Jezza offered free dental care?
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tofu eating wokerati
Then you shouldn't be on Urban, which is nothing if not heartless towards personal suffering. I've heard tincture of cloves is a thing, also Veganin, if you've got a late night chemist round your way. But get thee to a dentist pronto. They are brilliant these days with pain relief and can do wondrous things. I don't think you should wait for Jezza's paradise.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
you do read my username and understand the second word of it do you not
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