Calais: Migration and the UK Border

[brogdale]

David Davies was on Radio4 earlier expressing his and no doubt others belief that the French should repatriate all the people without papers to their country of origin and also for the UK government and French government to set up camps '' not the bad type'', in the vast areas of North Africa and begin processing them!
Compassion and responsibility are apparently no longer available.

"Not the bad type"
Like there's a good type of internment camp?

 

[brogdale]

David Davies was on Radio4 earlier expressing his and no doubt others belief that the French should repatriate all the people without papers to their country of origin and also for the UK government and French government to set up camps '' not the bad type'', in the vast areas of North Africa and begin processing them!
Compassion and responsibility are apparently no longer available.

I see the "tory tornado" has spelt out his extreme views in an 'Argus' piece...

Queuing onto the motorway was a long line of stationary lorries surrounded by asylum seekers.
Mainly of African appearance, they meandered across the motorway and openly tried to climb into lorries. Some drivers, possibly on double-crewed vehicles, were out of their cabs fighting them off.

The time has come to make a difficult decision which would be in the best interests of all.
The UK Government should finance the building of humane and comfortable refugee camps across the parts of North Africa from which refugees depart.

Are we to assume this is the trajectory of tory policy? So, mass internment camps located in other sovereign states processing applications for asylum/refuge in the UK.
FFS

 

[brogdale]

No surprise really when this is the sort of ignorant shite that he tweets...

 

[Sprocket.]

No surprise really when this is the sort of ignorant shite that he tweets...

Can see Davies leading the torch and pitchfork carrying mob to the coast to repel the unwashed and unwanted!

 

[brogdale]

Can see Davies leading the torch and pitchfork carrying mob to the coast to repel the unwashed and unwanted!

I've tweeted the vermin to ask if this represents an official view.

 

[DotCommunist]

resort to swearing

were you clutching your pearls in horror as you typed this? swearing no less! kid crushed to death in the tunnel but swearing! my giddy aunt, we cannot countenance such a thing!

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

We could concentrate the refugees/migrants in these camps now what to call them?

Australia, a country built on immigration (and genocide) has been in this game for quite a while. But it doesn't get much attention, the inmates are dirty, foreign, poor. Untermensch in fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_detention_centre

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Caution: Contains Stewart Lee, but I think it makes the point well.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/28/garden-migrants-calais-border-control

 

[gawkrodger]

Excellent article which probably belongs best in this thread. What journalism should be

http://www.dagbladet.no/spesial/vatdraktmysteriet/eng/

 

[Pickman's model]

I couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks for an answer that considers all sides of the equation (and it is truly a big equation with no simple answer). Unlike Frank, who seems to resort to swearing and talks of racism when someone questions or opposes his warped standpoint on the matter.

We've definitely seen an increased number of unaccompanied minors presenting where I work over the last few months so clearly something in equation is getting worse.

where do you work (what sort of workplace, not particularly interested in the address)? and have you ever heard a colleague swear?

 

[brogdale]

A useful contribution to the debate from UKIP's very own un-think-tank...

 

[nino_savatte]

A useful contribution to the debate from UKIP's very own un-think-tank...

Predictable tosh from the historically selective Roger Helmet.

 

[DotCommunist]

cos war with france has always been so, so good for the country as a whole amirite?

 

[brogdale]

cos war with france has always been so, so good for the country as a whole amirite?

It really is shit-for-brains clickbait, but Cameron's "swarm" comment puts Helmer's puerile crap in the shade.

 

[Sprocket.]

It really is shit-for-brains clickbait, but Cameron's "swarm" comment puts Helmer's puerile crap in the shade.

Let's dehumanise these poor people even more!

 

[DotCommunist]

It really is shit-for-brains clickbait, but Cameron's "swarm" comment puts Helmer's puerile crap in the shade.

appropriating the language of ukip really. My own dear hollobone has often spake of 'hordes'. Blow their country to shit then moan when the population displacement ends up in your lap. O what a world.

 

[brogdale]

Let's dehumanise these poor people even more!

Made even worse (if that's possible) by the context of (another) one of his 'trade missions' on which he begs the obscenely mega-rich "wealth creators" of Asia to come and live in UK.

He really is a fucking disgrace.

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's dehumanise these poor people even more!

but they're poor people: cameron knows of no other way to describe them

 

[Artaxerxes]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-to-halt-Calais-crisis-police-chief-says.html

Its like watching some sort of bizarre version of the feodarti system of the Roman Empire, send the foreigners to kick out the foreigners

 

[likesfish]

Davies is ex TA SAS so quite possibly a psychopath.
Not an ideal.choice for government minister.

 

[8ball]

Davies is ex TA SAS so quite possibly a psychopath.
Not an ideal.choice for government minister.

Sounds like a perfect fit for the spec.

 

[hot air baboon]

...not sure he is a minister is he...?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Project Hate goes into overdrive.

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/07/...o-syria-in-the-suns-shameful-calais-coverage/

 

[Sprocket.]

Inspired by Orwell's 1984 we will now have ten minutes Hate broadcast every night at 18.00 on BBC one!
There are other Hate broadcasters available!

 

[likesfish]

Tbf Davies took a principled stand and refused to join government .

I.e dangerous moon bat

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

This is very good.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/not-migrant-hordes--people-6165167

 

[kenny g]

Excellent article which probably belongs best in this thread. What journalism should be

http://www.dagbladet.no/spesial/vatdraktmysteriet/eng/

Thanks for the link. David Aronovitch referred to it in yesterdays Times article.

 

[bluescreen]

Good article, that Mirror one, and this one in yesterday's Graun.

...in terms of the overall flow of people in and out of Britain even several thousand potential illegal entrants to Britain are still a marginal issue in terms of migration especially as the numbers who have made it through can be measured in the hundreds. The vast majority of people living illegally in Britain came in the front door – through Heathrow airport – and simply overstayed their visas, yet nobody calls for the troops to be sent in to Heathrow.

The more I read about it the more I'm convinced that it was wrong to close the centre at Sangatte in 2002. It could have been made to work better than it did, and money spent on that would be far more worthwhile than this hopeless fencing and policing. It's a myth that most people want to come here. Those that do should be treated decently, not like some sort of existential threat.

 

[J Ed]

The language of the racism of early 20th Century regimes - swarms, cockroaches, hordes, invaders - is now mainstream again.

 

[gosub]

Am confused. the ones that crossed the Med on HMS Bulwark. -why didn't they claim asylum when they got on board? rather than getting dumped in Italy, having to make their own way to Calais and then try and break back onto UK sovereign territory?