littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This 'fish isn't meat' thing is a bit rubbish. It's totally arbitrary, and imo unjustified, to exclude creatures that live in the sea from the 'meat' umbrella.
Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?
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Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
And who die by being crushed to death on the deck of a boat, usually.
Cid
Proper break this time
And potentially devastating in terms of environmental impacts. There is so much we don't know about ocean ecosystems.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, the ethics vary massively on the source, though. Rope-farmed mussels and oysters are really ethical things to eat from an environmental pov (and it's hard to make the case that mussels suffer). Mussel farms have been proposed as a way of reversing the eutrophication of the Baltic Sea.
https://www.submariner-network.eu/i...as_environmental_service_in_Baltic_Proper.pdf
It would be good to have a more nuanced discussion regarding the ethics of farming and food production. It's nowhere near as simple as meat (I include fish in this term) bad, plants good.
furluxor
snake with a claw
From what I recall when I last did some digging, tofu is totally fine. As in, it should obviously form part of a varied diet (I wouldn't subsist only on soy) but the horror stories don't seem to have any scientific basis behind them. I'm also not keen on the ultra-processed vegan food but you can get more affordable tempeh in Asian stores. One near my home sells it for £2 for 1kg and it's made in the UK. Look in the freezer aisle.
Cid
Proper break this time
Yeah absolutely. I think we've all repeated multiple times that much of what people are talking about is just capitalism. The likely solution is more labour intensive farming methods that are appropriate to whatever microclimate/soil/water condition etc they're used in...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. Mixed farming, not monoculture, and rolling out far more intercropping, which is much more labour intensive, but it's not like there is a shortage of people in the world to do the work.
I'd love to see a situation where it's normal for people to spend a few days a month working on their local farm. Good for those of us with computer-based jobs to connect with food production, good for the planet to develop a network of smaller, ethically run farms.
It's been tried. You can try again but you know what will happen.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Following on from yesterday's spat.
www.theguardian.com
Woman died after eating ‘vegan’ Pret a Manger wrap, inquest told
Celia Marsh, 42, from Wiltshire, who had cow’s milk allergy, suffered fatal reaction after eating Pret sandwich
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
That would be much better. Tesco has it for £2.75 for under a third of that.
I hope they are dealt with harshlyFollowing on from yesterday's spat.
Woman died after eating ‘vegan’ Pret a Manger wrap, inquest told
Celia Marsh, 42, from Wiltshire, who had cow’s milk allergy, suffered fatal reaction after eating Pret sandwich
As should militant vegans with their nut milk trickery
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
What were your feelings about the sample size and representativeness of survey locations?
editor
hiraethified
Except it doesn't really match any of the pertinent details in any meaningful way.Following on from yesterday's spat.
Woman died after eating ‘vegan’ Pret a Manger wrap, inquest told
Celia Marsh, 42, from Wiltshire, who had cow’s milk allergy, suffered fatal reaction after eating Pret sandwich
/You can find a lot of criticism of Censuswide's methodology
WouldBe
Dislicksick
The argument was about who drink cows milk but won't eat red meat.
Chicken has always been classed as white meat and fish is fish.
As I understand it you get:-
Carnists
Ovo-lacto ists
Piscatarians
Vegetarians
Fruitarians
Vegans
I don't see where these milk drinking non red meat eating people fit in the scheme of things.
It's no wonder it's confusing when even the vegetarians don't seem to agree on what vegetarianism is.
furluxor
snake with a claw
Karl Masks and anyone else who were reading - soz, just checked, it's not as good as a deal as I thought - £1.70 for 400g.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Inflation, or just misremembering?
Whatever.
furluxor
snake with a claw
Ha, afraid it's just my crappy memory. I mean, they look like big slabs!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'd also doubt the honesty of some of the answers tbh. My experience especially of people who describe themselves as 'pescatarian' is that they often don't stick even to that rather modest dietary restriction. It's more of an aspiration. As for 'I'm going to give up meat next year', the report itself admits that this is a virtually worthless promise. Bit like 'I'm going to give up smoking soon'. (Also the timing of the survey matters there. It was done in December. Giving up meat for New Year is a common NY resolution, and we know how effective NY resolutions are.)
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Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
You know, it's okay to cut down on whatever you want and not call yourself anything, right? You seem to have this idea that 'those people over there are different to me and have different labels.' Give up milk, give up meat, or don't, call yourself whatever you want. Who gives a shit? It's only important if someone's cooking you dinner.The argument was about who drink cows milk but won't eat red meat.
Chicken has always been classed as white meat and fish is fish.
As I understand it you get:-
Carnists
Ovo-lacto ists
Piscatarians
Vegetarians
Fruitarians
Vegans
I don't see where these milk drinking non red meat eating people fit in the scheme of things.
It's no wonder it's confusing when even the vegetarians don't seem to agree on what vegetarianism is.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
The argument was about who drink cows milk but won't eat red meat.
Chicken has always been classed as white meat and fish is fish.
As I understand it you get:-
Carnists
Ovo-lacto ists
Piscatarians
Vegetarians
Fruitarians
Vegans
I don't see where these milk drinking non red meat eating people fit in the scheme of things.
It's no wonder it's confusing when even the vegetarians don't seem to agree on what vegetarianism is.
I'm a proud ovo-lacto-pollo-pesco-carno vegetarian, thank you very much.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Or sticking potentially dangerous substances in your tea.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Or sticking potentially dangerous substances in your tea.
But it’s ok to play silly tricks like that on carnists. If someone posted about feeding a vegan a risotto that was secretly made with chicken stock that they didn’t notice and even said was nice, they’d be roundly, and rightly, pilloried.
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editor
hiraethified
So you do have evidence of people dying as a result of them drinking a slosh of oat milk in their tea when they've visited someone's house (and not telling their host about their extreme allergic reactions)?Or sticking potentially dangerous substances in your tea.
Great. Let's see it. And all the assault/manslaughter charges arising from such heinous crimes.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Give it a rest. You got caught out admitting to doing something that's actually a bit thoughtless. Own it.
Parent reveals she feeds vegan friend's daughter meat in secret
An anonymous woman, believed to be from the US, took to Reddit where she revealed that she feeds her vegan friend's daughter meat in secret.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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