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Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

How reluctant are you to give up your meat habit?

  • I’m already veggie or vegan as any right thinking person should be!

    Votes: 49 25.0%

  • I can take it or leave it, I won’t miss meat

    Votes: 31 15.8%

  • I’d give up meat if I could think what else to cook, but I can’t

    Votes: 7 3.6%

  • I’m reluctant to change, but I accept the need

    Votes: 34 17.3%

  • It’s unimaginable that I won’t have meat in most / all meals - I’ll probably starve

    Votes: 8 4.1%

  • Fuck the planet, I’ll be eating meat till I die or the planet explodes

    Votes: 6 3.1%

  • Poll fail, answer below

    Votes: 15 7.7%

  • Don’t believe the hype - meat will be available forever, nothing much will change

    Votes: 46 23.5%
  • Total voters
    196
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I'm not keen on the term sentient personally. I think the word conscious is better. There is something it is like to be that entity and as a result, it has the potential capacity to suffer. The more we learn about insect behaviour, the harder it is to dismiss the idea that at least some insects are conscious. Bees display a range of behaviours and abilities that suggest some form of conscious awareness and reflection. It may be that you don't need such a huge number of neurons in your brain to be conscious.
 
I don't think so. They know when they are being attacked and have a will (natural instinct) to live but it's reaction and reflex. Being crushed to death is as about as horrible to bending a fingernail. Comparitvely clever creatures show little ability for A-b logic beyond basics, which is wondrous in itself, but conscious no.
 
I may come back to this, but you can make a pretty solid case for bee consciousness. Their behaviour is far more than reaction and reflex.
 
Anthropormism perhaps but I struggle to believe a bee has consciousness. Your're a smart guy so I'm interested but I don't see it in cats, corvids, dogs. Unless bees are peculiar in this respect which I doubt.
 
Still no reason to wilfully kill.
I watch where I walk and even brush the grass where I have been sitting.
Growing most of my food is going to be an interesting moral exercise...
 
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Agent Sparrow said:
Honestly Jeff, I think for many it’s less a case not caring and more not having the capacity to care about everything and having to prioritise. People have so many pressures and competing priorities going on, and intersectionality hugely affects the headspace and resources available to follow through on such committed actions.

It’s great that this is what some people priortise but don’t confuse others inaction with sociopathy - indeed not recognising the different demands on others is really blinkered. I wish I had the capacity and freedom from various restrictions to care as much about this as I did 20 years ago. Sadly life is a hell of a lot more demanding now so I don’t . :(
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I don't tend to get into online 'beef' - for want of a better term - with people who struggle to adopt plant-based consumption practices. It's people who defend the status quo - who ethically support the exploitation and killing of animals for food, fibre, scientific research etc. that I will always challenge. I believe I have a moral duty to stand up for the most voiceless and oppressed beings on the planet against apologists for the violence inflicted on them. Do I always do so in the most tactful way on here? No, a few years ago I was considered the 'reasonable' animal rights advocate on here but after over a decade of the frustrating impasse - where it feels like there has been zero progress in any direction - I guess I've gotten sucked into the maelstrom of toxicity that these threads are and have been for a very long time.
 
kabbes said:
What a bunch of crap. Like animals can’t cope with the sun disappearing for a short while. They’d be fucked every time it rains or it’s night time.
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I did notice the vets suggesting sedatives for your pets, which you'd have to pay for plus a consultation fee. :hmm:
 
bcuster said:
Who would think you could? Hippo's were never invited into the human community unlike pigs, cows, etc
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I don't think you really understand animals at all, do you?

There's more than a few examples of cattle just crushing people to death for apparently no other reason than they felt like it at the time.
 
This is why the planet is fucked, with big corporates flexing their muscles in the name of private profit over everything else.

Outcomes at the summit were characterised as “far more positive … than we anticipated” by Constance Cullman, the president of the Animal Feed Industry Association (AFIA), a US lobby group whose members include some of the world’s biggest meat and animal feed producers.

She added that this was the first time she had “felt that optimistic” after a “large international gathering like this one”.

Cullman also praised the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO)’s “Global Roadmap” to tackle the climate crisis and end hunger, which she described as “music to our ears”, saying she particularly welcomed the report’s emphasis on “production and efficiency” over “looking at reduced consumption of animal protein”.

Academics described the FAO report’s failure to recommend cuts to meat-eating as “bewildering” in a March submission to the journal Nature Food.

According to a March paper, which surveyed more than 200 environmental and agricultural scientists, meat and dairy production must be drastically reduced – and fast – to align with the Paris agreement.

The report concludes that global emissions from livestock production need to decline by 50% during the next six years, with “high-producing and consuming nations” taking the lead.
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www.theguardian.com

US meat lobby delighted at ‘positive’ prospects for industry after Cop28

Livestock bosses ‘enthusiastic’ about summit, while critics condemn vague language around meat and dairy consumption
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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