Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[WouldBe]

"Know better" than what? All other predatory animals?
We are predatory animals, which, in the natural world (which we are a part of, like it or not) is perfectly usual.

When do humans ever tear anything to pieces?

Even yer hunter gatherer types shoot it with a bow or kill it with something else pointy.

Please try and learn at least some rudimentary things about the natural world around you.

Cuetsy anthropomorphic videos are not based in reality.

I'm beginning to think he's either a bot or still at kindergarten.

 

[bcuster]

So where do we treat animals we eat like a lion ripping a gazelle to shreds?

Often we treat them far worse. Would you like me to post some videos?
Or better, look through this very thread. There must be two dozen of them here...

 

[Saul Goodman]

As a person who deals with meat on a daily basis, I can tell you without doubt that carcasses from stressed animals are worth less than carcasses from unstressed animals, you can work it out.

However, I am sure someone will be along to tell me I don't know my job either.

Yebbut....

 

[WouldBe]

Often we treat them far worse. Would you like me to post some videos?
Or better, look through this very thread. There must be two dozen of them here...

Bullshit you can't post a single video of people ripping an animal to shreds because they don't exist.

And fyi I've been reading and contributing to this thread from the very start.

 

[bcuster]

Bullshit you can't post a single video of people ripping an animal to shreds because they don't exist.

And fyi I've been reading and contributing to this thread from the very start.

You must be joking. I'll post some up later, after my lunch has settled...

 

[WouldBe]

You must be joking. I'll post some up later, after my lunch has settled...

Go on then. Make sure it's relevant to farming.

 

[bcuster]

Go on then. Make sure it's relevant to farming.

Now you add a qualifier; no matter: the videos exist in no small quantity...

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Now you add a qualifier; no matter: the videos exist in no small quantity...

So do nonce videos, but I don't think that's got anything to do with eating meat either.

 

[editor]

Bullshit you can't post a single video of people ripping an animal to shreds because they don't exist.

Perhaps you missed this high profile case from just a few weeks ago:

Scarlet Blake, who killed a cat and put animal in blender, found guilty of man's murder

Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, was found dead in the River Cherwell at Parson's Pleasure, in Oxford, in July 2021.

news.sky.com

And there's plenty of videos showing farm workers abusing animals, putting aside the fact that I'd argue that some factory farms are abusive and cruel by default.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Now you add a qualifier

Of course. We're talking about farming and food production, not random psychos.

 

[WouldBe]

Perhaps you missed this high profile case from just a few weeks ago:

Scarlet Blake, who killed a cat and put animal in blender, found guilty of man's murder

Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, was found dead in the River Cherwell at Parson's Pleasure, in Oxford, in July 2021.

news.sky.com

And there's plenty of videos showing farm workers abusing animals, putting aside the fact that I'd argue that some factory farms are abusive and cruel by default.

Please provide :-

1 what on earth that has to do with rearing animals agriculturally.

2 proof that cats are farmed for meat in the UK.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Of course. We're talking about farming and food production, not random psychos.

Jeffrey Dahmer ate some of his victims. I'm not sure what that means. Maybe we should ban people.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Often we treat them far worse. Would you like me to post some videos?
Or better, look through this very thread. There must be two dozen of them here...

Also, look through this thread to find examples of people talking about ways to treat livestock. You're being a bit disingenuous by suggesting that nobody has answered your question. They have. You just don't like or agree with the answers.

 

[editor]

Please provide :-

1 what on earth that has to do with rearing animals agriculturally.

2 proof that cats are farmed for meat in the UK.

I was responding to your earlier, stupid claim that - and I quote directly, "Bullshit you can't post a single video of people ripping an animal to shreds because they don't exist."

 

[WouldBe]

I was responding to your earlier, stupid claim that - and I quote directly, "Bullshit you can't post a single video of people ripping an animal to shreds because they don't exist."

Which was in response to the 'bot' claiming that animal farming was worse than a lion ripping a gazelle to shreds so I asked it to prove it. You then jumped in without knowing the context and post a story about a dickhead woman mutilating a cat. So wind your neck in.

 

[editor]

Which was in response to the 'bot' claiming that animal farming was worse than a lion ripping a gazelle to shreds so I asked it to prove it. You then jumped in without knowing the context and post a story about a dickhead woman mutilating a cat. So wind your neck in.

What 'bot'?

 

[bcuster]

What 'bot'?

bcuster

a recent selfie:

 

[bcuster]

Milk from sick dairy cattle in 2 states test positive for bird flu: What to know

The bird flu appears to have been introduced by wild birds. Farms in two states have also reported finding dead wild birds on their properties.

www.desmoinesregister.com

 

[Saul Goodman]

Milk from sick dairy cattle in 2 states test positive for bird flu: What to know

The bird flu appears to have been introduced by wild birds. Farms in two states have also reported finding dead wild birds on their properties.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Lettuce is the Most Common Food Linked with Food Poisoning. How Can You Lower Your Risk?

Lettuce and leafy greens are a “must” for a salad. But, did you know lettuce is also a cause of food poisoning?

cathe.com

 

[WouldBe]

Milk from sick dairy cattle in 2 states test positive for bird flu: What to know

The bird flu appears to have been introduced by wild birds. Farms in two states have also reported finding dead wild birds on their properties.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Reading that it clearly states that there is no concern wrt the milk supply.

Your point is?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Reading that it clearly states that there is no concern wrt the milk supply.

Your point is?

Point... ?

 

[editor]

Interesting article highlighting the dangers of our current rate of meat/dairy consumption:

“We need to see major changes in livestock production and consumption — really deep and rapid changes over the next decade,” said Helen Harwatt, an environmental social scientist and lead author of the survey report, which was published last week by Harvard’s animal law and policy program, where Harwatt is a fellow. The survey was also co-authored by researchers Matthew Hayek, Paul Behrens, and William Ripple.

Asked how rapidly global livestock emissions should fall after they peak, the experts’ most common response was a 50 percent or more decrease within five years after peaking. And the most effective way to do that, most survey respondents agreed, is by reducing the amount of meat and dairy humanity produces and consumes.

But such a peak, let alone a swift reduction in the amount of meat we eat, is nowhere in sight. Rising global meat consumption, along with vanishingly little government policy designed to change diets or cut pollution from factory farms, means we’re all but guaranteed to miss even the least ambitious targets suggested by climate and agricultural scientists in the Harvard survey.

Last year, a United Nations and OECD analysis predicted global meat consumption — a good but imperfect proxy for livestock emissions — won’t actually peak until 2075.

And the quicker this freakish shit ends the better:

The next big climate deadline is for meat and dairy

It’s a lot sooner than you think.

www.vox.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Equating caged chickens with automated milking procedures isn't very sensible.

You do get that the cows are milked twice a day (and they want to be milked), while those caged chickens live all their lives in those cages? Those are not comparable scenarios in any way.

It amazes me that for someone who wants to reform farming you appear stubbornly unwilling to learn anything about it.

 

[Epona]

Equating caged chickens with automated milking procedures isn't very sensible.

You do get that the cows are milked twice a day (and they want to be milked), while those caged chickens live all their lives in those cages? Those are not comparable scenarios in any way.

It amazes me that for someone who wants to reform farming you appear stubbornly unwilling to learn anything about it.

Tbf, the reason that they want to be milked is because they are not feeding the calves they gave birth to, and their udders get full and sore if they're not milked.
Which is my personal bugbear - there are some people who are ardently vegetarian who get upset about others eating meat, but eat dairy and eggs, as if there are no animals killed to sustain that. Male calves and male chicks are killed to sustain that method of farming is what happens.
(I was vegetarian for over 20 years myself btw. I just think there's no moral high ground unless one forgoes every animal product)

 

[Funky_monks]

Equating caged chickens with automated milking procedures isn't very sensible.

You do get that the cows are milked twice a day (and they want to be milked), while those caged chickens live all their lives in those cages? Those are not comparable scenarios in any way.

It amazes me that for someone who wants to reform farming you appear stubbornly unwilling to learn anything about it.

Yeah, I saw that...

Oh no! Not a rotary parlour!

Also, has editor just reposted a source he used a couple of pages ago? How unlike him...


That "Harvard survey their mates" is shockingly poor, wasn't even a random sample, they just asked people who had the same opinion as the authors....

 

[Funky_monks]

Point... ?

I couldn't wrestle a point from that post either unless it's "stay away from birds"....

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Tbf, the reason that they want to be milked is because they are not feeding the calves they gave birth to, and their udders get full and sore if they're not milked.
Which is my personal bugbear - there are some people who are ardently vegetarian who get upset about others eating meat, but eat dairy and eggs, as if there are no animals killed to sustain that. Male calves and male chicks are killed to sustain that method of farming is what happens.
(I was vegetarian for over 20 years myself btw. I just think there's no moral high ground unless one forgoes every animal product)

Sure. It's actually even more than that - they've been bred to produce far more milk than their calf would need, something in the region of six times more. But it is presented here as if it were some kind of torture chamber. It's not. And the rhetorical device of placing cows being milked next to caged chickens strongly suggests that it is. Otherwise, why put those two images next to one another?

 

[Funky_monks]

Sure. It's actually even more than that - they've been bred to produce far more milk than their calf would need, something in the region of six times more. But it is presented here as if it were some kind of torture chamber. It's not. And the rhetorical device of placing cows being milked next to caged chickens strongly suggests that it is. Otherwise, why put those two images next to one another?

I think it's far simpler than that - namely that he had no clue that rotary parlours existed, had never seen anything like that and quickly lept to some mad conclusions like the cows being in there all the time or something...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Anyhow, we're on ignore because we have an agenda or we're shills for Big Meat, or something. So we clearly support all the worst farming practices in the world - caged chickens, farrowing crates, the lot. Despite having specifically stated otherwise.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Anyhow, we're on ignore because we have an agenda or we're shills for Big Meat, or something. So we clearly support all the worst farming practices in the world - caged chickens, farrowing crates, the lot. Despite having specifically stated otherwise.

Of course you support them, you pay for them. Your bloviating and virtue signalling on this thread doesn't change that.