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Dislicksick
Or possibly Moorisons.
Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?
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Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
No one believes that. Of course a minority of meat production is less harmful than some vegan/vegetarian foods. The point is that the vast majority of greenhouse gases in food production come from meat and dairy.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The cow seems to be inhaling the engine exhaust.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. you're not really supporting your point about rice being the greatest agricultural source of methane. some figures or references would be nice.
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Starry Wisdom
incidentally, has anyone mentioned how all the things currently made from cows would in a meat-free future be produced? apart from leather and gelatin, things like car bodies apparently have a glue made from beef, asphalt, soap and crayons?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I expect alternatives for most of them wouldn't be a problem. Was interested to see the list of pharmaceutical products, though (which I'm sure come from a tiny proportion of the cows used for meat tbf).
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Never mind those things - how would crops be grown in a livestock free world, especially with fossil fuel sources getting too expensive? What use will we have for all the parts of plants we don't eat that we've invested resources in to grow (wheat not making the grade for milling, straw, spent brewers grains, beet pulp after sugar is made etc etc)? What happens to all the land unsuitable for cropping? How will the population cope with the massive reduction in food and the price increases that will come along with it?
This is why it's not very constructive to talk about "animals agriculture" and "cropping".
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Pure whataboutery. Meat bad!
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Starry Wisdom
I haven't mentioned either animals agriculture or cropping
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hiraethified
...takes up a microscopically small amount of the meat that is produced, so it's pretty much pointless bringing it up in a discussion about the very real damage caused by the meat industry.
Although not every one may agree that there's much ethics in slaughtering animals, anyway.
There's no such thing as humane meat or eggs. Stop kidding yourself
Many people think they consume humane meat, but only a tiny fraction actually do. The majority of consumers are totally wrong about what they eat
Is There Really Such A Thing As 'Ethical' Meat?
A recent report claimed 'ethical beef' is becoming increasingly popular?-?but?is?animal?agriculture?ever?humane?
plantbasednews.org
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
and as i said earlier...a large off shoot of the meat industry is pet food....dogs would most likely be ok but cats are obligate carnivores....are people gonna advocate large scale euthanasia for pets ?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Mass spaying would solve the issue in ten years or so and make a lot of birds happy.
a vegan source is hardly objective on the ethical aspect....takes up a microscopically small amount of the meat that is produced, so it's pretty much pointless bringing it up in a discussion about the very real damage caused by the meat industry.
Although not every one may agree that there's much ethics in slaughtering animals, anyway.
There's no such thing as humane meat or eggs. Stop kidding yourself
Many people think they consume humane meat, but only a tiny fraction actually do. The majority of consumers are totally wrong about what they eatwww.theguardian.com
Is There Really Such A Thing As 'Ethical' Meat?
A recent report claimed 'ethical beef' is becoming increasingly popular?-?but?is?animal?agriculture?ever?humane?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A vegan opinion piece, at that.
What so many vegheads misunderstand is that meat eaters reject their moral stanpoint on the killing of animals and that most of us are perfectly ok with it. We have many views of what are and aren't acceptable farming practices.
Many vegetarians and vegans accepts this and just get on with things. Just not the loudest ones!
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
I wouldn't say we 'accept' it, I'd say we just say nothing in the same way most people say nothing about dogs shitting in the street or people speeding or littering. It's just not worth the argument most of the time. But silence doesn't imply consent / acceptance, and shouldn't be taken to.
I simply don't grant some animals, given that we don't eat from the entire smorgasboard of animal life on earth, exemption from being eaten. Within that I think we should treat them well. But nuance is often the first casualty of a conversation with a vegan. For example, a high profile clown like Earthling Ed. Flying around the world and delivering lectures to kids on how cows will fart the world to apocalypse
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You have to accept that other people's opinions and moral views differ to yours. The alternative is to shout, scream, and stamp your feet about it on internet bulletin boards like frothing loons, and that just entrenches opinions.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Well, there's nothing to be gained by taking every opportunity to criticise everything in the world we disagree with or find offensive. It's a question of picking battles - but not arguing with someone doesn't imply any degree of acceptance of their actions. Tolerance is how I'd characterise it, not so much acceptance.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
In what way to we not accept our actions?
I've been in abattoirs, I still eat meat.
are you suggesting we should eat the Vegans? (but only if they are ethically farmed?)
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hiraethified
What percentage of meat eaters would you guess have visited abattoirs?
Personally, I think schoolkids should be invited/encouraged to see the vile, cruel industry that gets the meat/dairy/eggs to their tables real close up. Pretty sure there'd be a lot more vegans/veggies as a result.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I wonder how many would stop eating meat if they did visit an abattoir. I think a few might, for a week or so, but I doubt many would give a sufficient fuck.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Generally speaking (there are exceptions) in western culture, we tend only to eat herbivorous mamals, so vegans would seem to be an ideal addition to a carnist diet. Then there's the population reduction angle to consider ...
2 birds, 1 stone. Everyone's a winner!
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Aside from the fact that you'd get more meat from a Hooters chicken wing...
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hiraethified
More hilarious vegan hate!
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hiraethified
What a fucking grim industry it is, and yet it's one that some people here want to see carrying on forever.
Confessions of a slaughterhouse worker
A former abattoir worker describes her job and the effect it had on her mental health.
www.bbc.co.uk
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
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