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A friend of mine is buying a flat - the vendor suggested they moved in before exchange and paid rent till they completed so they did. The sale has now fallen through and they have now been asked to move out!

They have a found new place to buy but now need to move twice in quick succession plus find somewhere to live before their purchase goes through
Similar happened with my dad when they were selling the family home. The buyer wanted to put some items in the garage ahead of completion, and was quite keen on it apparently. The sale fell through shortly afterward and my thought he'd dodged a bullet. Later sold it without a hitch.
 
Can anyone foresee my sale falling through? (I know anything can happen, but just curious....) If it falls through I will probably just go back to Turkey...I already have a one way ticket! Have nothing much to be here for and I miss my friends :(
 
I assume your solicitor isn’t willing to exchange due to the charges complication. It seems pretty logical. Once you exchange theres no going back and what if they default on whatever debt it is. It could potentially get passed into you. If you then pull out you could get sued.

your solicitor seems to know what they are doing so I would follow their advice.

alao as much as this stinks it’s probably going to be very likely you’ll start receiving random debt collection type letters after you’ve moved in. Especially if there’s any debt that doesn’t get paid off and the company sells it off to a debt collection agency. Ignore all of it. Don’t even reply and if any bailiffs come knocking on your door make sure you’ve got your proof documents close to hand!

get on the voting register as quickly as possible too as any past debt on the property could severely effect effect your credit score. I could be talking crap and a lot of this gets sorted quicker these days but it’s something to keep in back of mind and add to the ‘to do list’

ETA: didn’t see the last 3 posts above this one before I replied saying pretty much the same thing. Sorry. Stupid phone.
God, now I remember I had to go to a baliffs after I bought my first place, because I kept getting ccj letters and letters from baliffs, and eventually came home one night to a letter from the baliffs saying they were going to take my stuff for the debts. Turned out the previous owner had not emigrated to South Frica and just done a runner after her divorce was final.

Had to take my ID docs and the mortgage paperwork to the baliffs, and adterwards everything stopped. Got my credit history checked too just to make sure.

Basically it was a fuckton of hassle for the best part of a year.
 
I'm afraid I rather fear that this is just going to get kicked further down the road each time a deadline approaches: they're in this position because they are seemingly very poor at managing money, and because they don't seem to understand much about it - I'm therefore not overly confident that they will have miraculously learnt these skills for everything to get happily tied off by whatever makey-uppy date they've given this time.

This stuff is their solicitors job, and it should have been squared away when the house went on the market, and certainly long before it got to searches. I'd have a conversation with your solicitor about what the mechanism is that is going to get the sale through, and if they shrug their shoulders and say 'how long is a piece of string...', you should know that this could take another 6 months until the vendor gets the money together.

Personally, I'd do some looking around at what else is available - the caveat to that however is that prices are going up, and bar Communism, they aren't dropping by much: if you go back to Turkey, or just say fuck it, and rent a flat with your wedge, you are quite probably putting yourself into the 'never going to be able to by a place in the UK ever again' pile.

Their solicitor needs to be working really hard to present you and your sol with a plan thats signed off by the vendors and the charge holders as being not just achievable, but dead certain. That that's not happening suggests a marked lack of confidence on the part of the vendors solicitor that their clients have any ability to pull it off...
 
Agree with the last couple of posts there needs to be a strategy in place to resolve this in the next couple of weeks or it may run and run. Worth giving some thought about how you would feel if it slips to August. Do appreciate it's a lot easier for us who haven't made an emotional connection with the flat to comment.
 
Can anyone foresee my sale falling through? (I know anything can happen, but just curious....) If it falls through I will probably just go back to Turkey...I already have a one way ticket! Have nothing much to be here for and I miss my friends :(
Hang in there it will suddenly happen and you’ll be going through the front door key in hand
 
Can anyone foresee my sale falling through? (I know anything can happen, but just curious....) If it falls through I will probably just go back to Turkey...I already have a one way ticket! Have nothing much to be here for and I miss my friends :(
I'm not saying it can't fall through, but plenty of successful house purchases and sales are as awful as this. It really is dreadful. The brisk confidence your estate agent exuded at the start were all about sales and not reality.
 
miss direct i can’t see the sale falling through -for what reason would it? The vendors owe money that they will either sort the funds to pay or an agreement can be made to be paid from proceeds assuming it’s not all owed to the lender (mortgage). The flat being leasehold & them not being up to date with all payments has complicated your sale but you are really are on the home straight so only reason for you to pull out now would be be because you have changed your mind & want to go to Turkey etc.

There has been 1-2 comments about them owing money & how they got in this position & getting in this position which I’m genuinely perplexed about. How I would love to live a life not knowing what that feels like to be that 1%.
 
miss direct i can’t see the sale falling through -for what reason would it? The vendors owe money that they will either sort the funds to pay or an agreement can be made to be paid from proceeds assuming it’s not all owed to the lender (mortgage). The flat being leasehold & them not being up to date with all payments has complicated your sale but you are really are on the home straight so only reason for you to pull out now would be be because you have changed your mind & want to go to Turkey etc.

There has been 1-2 comments about them owing money & how they got in this position & getting in this position which I’m genuinely perplexed about. How I would love to live a life not knowing what that feels like to be that 1%.

Totally agree, I don't want to derail the thread but I feel some of the comments have been really judgemental and tbh a little upsetting - life gets shit for reasons that can't always be forseen, especially with COVID - I know personally I've been through hell financially over the last couple of years and it is not difficult to see why someone might have to sell their property with a load of debt that may exceed the equity in their property. If anyone here cannot understand how "grown adults" can get themselves into that situation, then you really need to count your blessings every day that you have never been through similar.
 
Ok thank you for those comments. I haven't been meaning to judge, just been trying to get my head around it. It's just such a massive debt and such a modest little home that it's a surprise to say the least.

I have been through difficulties financially myself and as a result am very frugal and careful with my money because I don't want to be in that position again and find it terrifying.
 
Sorry, when I said about the sale falling through, I was meaning the other buyers got cold feet when faced with this situation, not that this situation itself could cause the sale to fail.
 
Sorry, when I said about the sale falling through, I was meaning the other buyers got cold feet when faced with this situation, not that this situation itself could cause the sale to fail.

I don't think anyone else got this far, I suspect the major works was the main off putter for others, and is now almost certainly the reason the current owners want out due to their unfortunate financial situation.

I know it's a ballache miss direct and while I don't think the transaction will fall through, it could certainly continue to get delayed beyond July 30. I think you seriously do need to think long and hard on if that is a hard deadline, and if you haven't at the very least exchanged by 5pm August 2nd then pull out. The sellers need to know you're serious about pulling out. It sounds harsh on their situation, but I'm sure they want this nightmare over as quickly as you do. A short term loan (i know, i know) will be better than having a mortgage and other bills they probably can't afford continuing on for several more months due to having to start the process all over again.

Life can be shit, and sometimes you've got to be the shit. You have to think of your own wellbeing, which you've mentioned numerous times on this thread.
 
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How much over is their debt?
Could you increase your offer to clear it? Then there would be no excuses for further delays.
 
Re debts and charges on property. Some lenders are known as predatory lenders. They prey on people who have poor credit ratings, people who are probably on benefits or in low paid jobs, lenders like Bright House, which sell furniture and appliances to people who can't afford to buy a new one outright, but they end up paying twice the price for the item after paying in weekly installments for ages. Or doorstep lending companies like Prudential are vultures, advertising loans at X rate of interest, but then it turns out that the actual rate of interest is actually three or four or more times higher, and when challenged, they say the advertised rate was only 'indicative', but by then some poor desperate sod has probably already been rejected by their bank for an overdraft or loan, filled in the application, had the prospect of money dangling in front of them at X interest rate, but then at the last minute told to sign a loan agreement stating a much higher interest rate. Then there are 'equity release' schemes, preying on people who have a former social housing asset to secure against lending.

It's easily done, when people have been poor for so long, and they're not financially savvy, because they've never had much money to speak of, so they can't borrow for low interest rates, they might need a new boiler or new windows, or a car to get to work, or might be tempted and sucked in to home improvements or borrowing and splurging on things they can't afford, tempted by persuasive slick sales talk about repayment in easy small installments.

And then people get trapped by high interest rates and an inability to repay.

Yes, there might be a bit of stupidity associated with getting into so much debt that it's grindingly hard to get out of it, but often it's due to disability, ill-health, poverty pay, being on benefits, spending many years with an income that doesn't quite meet outgoings, and the cumulative adverse impact of 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' over many years is that eventually people's finances reach breaking point, where even the dodgy high interest lenders will no longer lend them any money and everyone starts clamouring for their money back.

It probably happens to many more people than most are aware of, because of the sense of shame, the taboo, others being judgemental, etc.
 
Had a bit of a melt down last night. Not just about the flat but everything. Think I'm going to take a day out from thinking about this, give myself the weekend to think and then on Monday call/email and get more clarity. Clearly nothing is happening today in any case.
This is probably one of the biggest and most stressful things you will ever do. Take what time you need.
 
Sounds like a good idea stepping back. Dont pull out tho, things will work out. Sounds like they will have to pay off the debts but tbh they will be desperate to free up their equity you'd imagine...

Def do NOT increase your offer. Try to keep emotional distance from the vendors and their situation.

And I do think its important you feel safe and comfortable where you are now. Dont pin all your hopes or some future thing - even this flat. Hope your solicitor is giving some good advice about the next few weeks anyway.
 
probably a good time to double-check you've checked all the main things in the house you're buying (boiler!). if they're covering this up then who knows what else.
 
Def do NOT increase your offer. Try to keep emotional distance from the vendors and their situation.
I wasn't suggesting upping the offer by thousands only if it's a couple of hundred. MD could end up in a situation where they can't raise the money at the end of July which could go on month after month. Meanwhile the redemption figures for the charges expire and the solicitors have to get new figures before completion. :eek:
 
Did me a lot of good to have a few days off thinking about all this and I was quite unwell over the weekend too. The good thing is, I think I have found somewhere to go and stay from the 20th onwards until the sale goes through.

Anyway today I wrote quite a long email to the estate agent, trying to express my concerns and asking for clarification about it all. The response came:

I completely understand that you’re feeling anxious as this has not been a smooth sale at all. The vendors have agreed to pay the outstanding debt on the 30th once they get paid, and we will then be in a position to exchange & complete. I'm hoping this will all take place by 2pm on the 30th July.
I am now in receipt of all the keys for the property and would be happy to meet yourself or any contractors at the property to allow access.


Nothing much else I can now other than wait. Probably worth going to meet the estate agent to see the property again just so I can find out more.
 
Did me a lot of good to have a few days off thinking about all this and I was quite unwell over the weekend too. The good thing is, I think I have found somewhere to go and stay from the 20th onwards until the sale goes through.

Anyway today I wrote quite a long email to the estate agent, trying to express my concerns and asking for clarification about it all. The response came:

I completely understand that you’re feeling anxious as this has not been a smooth sale at all. The vendors have agreed to pay the outstanding debt on the 30th once they get paid, and we will then be in a position to exchange & complete. I'm hoping this will all take place by 2pm on the 30th July.
I am now in receipt of all the keys for the property and would be happy to meet yourself or any contractors at the property to allow access.


Nothing much else I can now other than wait. Probably worth going to meet the estate agent to see the property again just so I can find out more.
Are your solicitors in agreement with the Estate Agent regarding the exchange & completion dates?
 
Did me a lot of good to have a few days off thinking about all this and I was quite unwell over the weekend too. The good thing is, I think I have found somewhere to go and stay from the 20th onwards until the sale goes through.

Anyway today I wrote quite a long email to the estate agent, trying to express my concerns and asking for clarification about it all. The response came:

I completely understand that you’re feeling anxious as this has not been a smooth sale at all. The vendors have agreed to pay the outstanding debt on the 30th once they get paid, and we will then be in a position to exchange & complete. I'm hoping this will all take place by 2pm on the 30th July.
I am now in receipt of all the keys for the property and would be happy to meet yourself or any contractors at the property to allow access.


Nothing much else I can now other than wait. Probably worth going to meet the estate agent to see the property again just so I can find out more.

Definitely worth a face to face with the agent. Things can be said that they might not have been able to put down in an email so you might get some more idea of what the sellers have been up to. Might set your mind at ease a bit more.
 
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