Business leaders seek 'unlimited immigration' from new EU states

[FridgeMagnet]

I genuinely can't see anyway forward besides organisation and hard work.

But... but... you might get the sack!!!!

 

[snadge]

But... but... you might get the sack!!!!

and blacked from working with that company ever again alongside other companies, there is only about 20 major players in the type of work I do and once your name is known as a troublemaker, you don't get work.

Do people think that is a viable solution?

 

[JHE]

Some politicians are calling for restrictions on the rights of Romanians and Bulgarians to work in Britain, when Romania & Bulgaria join the EU next year.

Most EU countries have similar restrictions on the last lot to join the EU - Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, people from the Baltic countries etc. However, apparently these restrictions do not work very well. People from those countries have the right to be in all other EU countries, but they don't have the right to work in all those countries. The upshot is that they move legally to the EU countries they want to work in and then work illegally. If they get caught (and most don't) they get fined and then return to working illegally.

A report from Brussels about how it works there: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...OAVCBQUIV0?xml=/opinion/2006/08/23/do2301.xml

 

[revol68]

and blacked from working with that company ever again alongside other companies, there is only about 20 major players in the type of work I do and once your name is known as a troublemaker, you don't get work.

Do people think that is a viable solution?

Mate, what do you want us to say? I'm not in your shoes, i don't know the people on the floor etc.

All I'm saying that any answer to the problem wouldn't come through calls for "tougher" immigration controls or jingoistic calls for putting "British" workers first.

 

[In Bloom]

and blacked from working with that company ever again alongside other companies, there is only about 20 major players in the type of work I do and once your name is known as a troublemaker, you don't get work.

Do people think that is a viable solution?

If you genuinely don't believe that it's possible to organise in your workplace, then I guess you shouldn't do it.

However, if they don't know you're doing it untill you've got enough people behind you that they don't want to risk the consequences of hiring you, then you can mitigate against this risk. Like I said, it's hard work, but it's the only way forward I can see, if somebody knows of a better alternative, I'd love to hear it.

He who dares and all that

 

[revol68]

Some politicians are calling for restrictions on the rights of Romanians and Bulgarians to work in Britain, when Romania & Bulgaria join the EU next year.

Most EU countries have similar restrictions on the last lot to join the EU - Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, people from the Baltic countries etc. However, apparently these restrictions do not work very well. People from those countries have the right to be in all other EU countries, but they don't have the right to work in all those countries. The upshot is that they move legally to the EU countries they want to work in and then work illegally. If they get caught (and most don't) they get fined and then return to working illegally.

A report from Brussels about how it works there: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...OAVCBQUIV0?xml=/opinion/2006/08/23/do2301.xml

Sounds about right,you get to posture about putting "your own" first, getting tough on immigrants, meanwhile their labour is even more flexible.

 

[snadge]

Mate, what do you want us to say? I'm not in your shoes, i don't know the people on the floor etc.

All I'm saying that any answer to the problem wouldn't come through calls for "tougher" immigration controls or jingoistic calls for putting "British" workers first.

I'm not calling for tougher immigration laws, we already have themI am calling for suggestions to stop the reduction of previously agreed wage structures though. If something doesn't happen before Bulgaria and Romania join the EU, wages will go down again, Polish workers will then have the same fight as the British workers.

 

[untethered]

All I'm saying that any answer to the problem wouldn't come through calls for "tougher" immigration controls or jingoistic calls for putting "British" workers first.

We've still got the quote marks around "British". Please explain as I genuinely don't understand.

People who are UK citizens are British, not "British". Is this an assumed or euphemistic term that I wasn't aware of?

What, exactly, is your problem?

Perhaps you refer to "Polish" workers. "German" workers. "Kenyan" workers. Do you?

Ah, you seem to refer to "Poliosh" workers. What are they, workers with polio?

 

[revol68]

We've still got the quote marks around "British". Please explain as I genuinely don't understand.

People who are UK citizens are British, not "British". Is this an assumed or euphemistic term that I wasn't aware of?

What, exactly, is your problem?

Perhaps you refer to "Polish" workers. "German" workers. "Kenyan" workers. Do you?

Ah, you seem to refer to "Poliosh" workers. What are they, workers with polio?

Well overlooking the fact that as some one from Northern Ireland I am a UK citizen but not "British", my point about "British" workers is that we should not define workers in terms of their nationality. I'm an internationalist and beleive that the working class has no country, that a fundamental means of upholding capitalism is tying them to particular nationalisms. That any attempt to reduce the working class to particular nations leads "socialists" down a dangerous path, and is where fascism came from.

 

[In Bloom]

Well overlooking the fact that as some one from Northern Ireland I am a UK citizen but not "British"...

Republican

 

[durruti02]

A ...So Durruti, where do i fit in this nice little narrative of you standing up for the "little man" against the old dinosaurs in the SWP?

B ...except you mean more power to union bureacrats, the sectionalisation of the working class, closed shops and reactionary "son's and daughter's" policies for "local" housing, you also seem to define immigrants as outside the working class.

C ..you have yet to give an an adequate response to any of my criticisms of these policies actually harming the long term interests of the working class and strengthening the hand of capital.

A ...no idea .. i thought you were one of them

B ..why do you think this? .. to me it is a profoundly anti w/c perspective if you assume that w/c people getting their hands on power is reactionary .. no wonder you are so cynical

C .. it is a importnat issue i accept though i think you are way off at the moment .. of course there is and always be reaction but if the moment i suggest these things you cry foul we will never get anywhere and yes i accept there are dangers and so we must always be progressive .. i.s. anti racist/equality etc etc .. but within the framework .. otherwise, as today people, will reject it

 

[cockneyrebel]

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