Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[Rebelda]

Also, anyone else desperate to know what the fuck Cecily did to become a vengeance demon?

YES - I also wanted more after Spike realises who she is when she locks them all in the house at Dawn's behest!

 

[Glitter]

One thing I really love about Buffy is the recurring characters and how they don't fuck about with them and use the same actors.

 

[Reno]

One thing I really love about Buffy is the recurring characters and how they don't fuck about with them and use the same actors.

Do many shows still do that ? Soap operas like Dynasty used to recast actors all the time when they left, but I haven't noticed that much over the last couple of decades, unless its very minor characters. Usually now they write out a character, rather than recasting them and then they often introduce or promote a character who has a similar qualities to the one who left.

 

[kabbes]

Xander didn't have a story arc. He wasn't a protagonist, he wasn't a hero, he was, famously, the Zeppo. Killing him would have felt highly unsatisfactory.

Anya, on the other hand, had a proper hero's arc, old school, leading to her death.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Every man with whom I've ever discussed it had the hots for willow in every incarnation.

I had a thing for Spike which even I know is a bit weird

There's a hilariously cheesy episode in season 7 of Supernatural that features James Marsters (Spike) and Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) as a pair of immortal witches, and I have to say that ol' Spike has aged well.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Actually, even Spike got interesting as time went by - to the point where I got all cross at Xander in particular for his knee-jerk anti Spike stuff. The revelations in the final season about Spike's siring etc were actually heart breaking

Spike is probably (IMHO) better in season 5 of Angel than in Buffy, because he gets to play directly off of Angel with their little rivalry schtick, plus we get to the root of why Spike has such a hate-on for Angel.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Puppet Angel

Was from Angel, not Buffy.
Fucking classic though, the moody little puppet bastard!

 

[Glitter]

There's a hilariously cheesy episode in season 7 of Supernatural that features James Marsters (Spike) and Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) as a pair of immortal witches, and I have to say that ol' Spike has aged well.

He was pretty old in Buffy wasn't he (all things considered)

I'm such a Spike nerd that I went to London to see Ghost of The Robot. On my own

 

[ViolentPanda]

Forgot to mention Giles' very real affection for all the Scoobies but especially Buffy and the moments of real emotion/anguish that resulted from that. Brilliantly written and portrayed more often than not


I agree with that. On the subject of Andrew, in a final season which became increasingly dark and serious he provided genuine and not annoying at all light relief. He could easily have been annoying but turned out OK

Andrew's guest appearance in season 5 of Angel, where he's obviously still got a "thing" for Spike, is pretty good too.

 

[Glitter]

Andrew's guest appearance in season 5 of Angel, where he's obviously still got a "thing" for Spike, is pretty good too.

I love his face when he takes the call from Fred when Willow goes to LA to put Angel's soul back.

 

[ViolentPanda]

He was pretty old in Buffy wasn't he (all things considered)

I'm such a Spike nerd that I went to London to see Ghost of The Robot. On my own

Late 20s when Buffy started, so mid-40s now, although that might just be his showbiz age.

 

[Rebelda]

I love his face when he takes the call from Fred when Willow goes to LA to put Angel's soul back.

'sounds kind of effeminate'

 

[ViolentPanda]

I love his face when he takes the call from Fred when Willow goes to LA to put Angel's soul back.

He's a damn good character actor. I'll give him that, unlike the other two "evil gang" dicks, who mostly only seemed able to do selfish, whiny and needy.

 

[Glitter]

Late 20s when Buffy started, so mid-40s now, although that might just be his showbiz age.

He's 50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Marsters

 

[Reno]

Late 20s when Buffy started, so mid-40s now, although that might just be his showbiz age.

He was already in his mid-30s when he started on Buffy. He is 50 now. I remember because he's my age.

 

[kittyP]

*bounces in to thread* OMG Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy.
I still watch it all the time I don't think I'll ever tire of it.
I love it so much.
Angel is pretty good too. Especially the later series when some other Buffy characters turn up.
*bounces out but will be back*

 

[ViolentPanda]

Shame that planned Giles spin-off never happened.

Would have been cool to get a better handle on the whole "ripper" thing, for a start.

 

[Glitter]

Would have been cool to get a better handle on the whole "ripper" thing, for a start.

Such a bloody awful nickname! It always makes me think of Mallory Towers or the Chalet School

 

[ViolentPanda]

He was already in his mid-30s when he started on Buffy. He is 50 now. I remember because he's my age.

Hmm, I remember reading something along the lines of "Marsters, 28..." so definitely showbiz age!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Such a bloody awful nickname! It always makes me think of Mallory Towers or the Chalet School

Well, poor bugger wasn't particularly blessed in the Christian name dept, either!

 

[Reno]

Hmm, I remember reading something along the lines of "Marsters, 28..." so definitely showbiz age!

He was pretty open about it from the start and it's been on Imdb since the 90s.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh rubbish.. Fans who boycott something that's great because they feel some wrong was done by a favourite character are mental. There is five seasons of Whedon brilliance there, with its own intricate mytholgy and mutitude of great characters and plot lines. And Spike is great in Angel.

Angel went a bit further in pushing the idea that while vampires were bad, there were some sick fanged fucks too, like the torturer Spike hired to retrieve the ring, and the Wolfram and Hart arc really pushed home the "people willing to sell their soul for a slice of the pie" angle.
The final episode was a good way to end, I thought. I particularly loved watching Lorne killing Lindsey, and Lindsey using his last breath to be petulant about it, I have to admit!

 

[Reno]

Angel went out with its best season. It was a shame that's when they pulled the plug, it could have gone on for another couple of years and be great.

I really liked Amy Acker, Fred was really Angel's Willow and I would have liked to see what happens with Illyra.

 

[Stigmata]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Joss Whedon's public school background yet. Giles was based on his schoolmasters at Winchester College. Urban's standards are slipping!

 

[Reno]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Joss Whedon's public school background yet. Giles was based on his schoolmasters at Winchester College. Urban's standards are slipping!

Not another class thread !

 

[Rebelda]

He's a damn good character actor. I'll give him that, unlike the other two "evil gang" dicks, who mostly only seemed able to do selfish, whiny and needy.

Not Jonathan - what about Superstar (s4?), I love that episode and it reveals the trick to defeating Adam.

*waves* to kittyP

I didn't know that Stigmata.

 

[Idris2002]

I loved Buffy while it was running, but I have zero desire to see it again.

My supervisor - a Marxist-Feminist academic of the old school - used to watch it with her daughter, and graduated from snide comments to actually being a fan.

 

[DotCommunist]

I loved Buffy while it was running, but I have zero desire to see it again.

My supervisor - a Marxist-Feminist academic of the old school - used to watch it with her daughter, and graduated from snide comments to actually being a fan.

my poetry tutor (who had the sheer gall to turn up at a poetry open mike night frequented by us lot and recite stuff from his latest collection) was going out with a feminist tutor who specialised in gothic literature. She had the tickets from an american buffy convention on her damn noticeboard, pinned there like the scalps of geekness. I sneer, but when there was a picket line about cuts to support staff they were right there with us. So free pass. Still, the fucking pair of them.

 

[Reno]

I loved Buffy while it was running, but I have zero desire to see it again.

I never rewatch shows. I just don't have the time, there are plenty of great new shows around and I watch lots of films as well. I have revisited out the odd favourite episode though.

 

[Idris2002]

my poetry tutor (who had the sheer gall to turn up at a poetry open mike night frequented by us lot and recite stuff from his latest collection) was going out with a feminist tutor who specialised in gothic literature. She had the tickets from an american buffy convention on her damn noticeboard, pinned there like the scalps of geeekness. I sneer, but when there was a picket line about cuts to support staff they were right there with us. So free pass. Still, the fucking pair of them.

Serves you right for having a "poetry tutor" in the first place.