British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Spymaster]

Things the map shows:
1. Whether you're automatically offered citizenship in a country you're born in

Things the map doesn't show:
1. Whether you're offered citizenship in a country your parents are born in
2. Whether you're offered citizenship in a country you're not born in

What's your point again

As I thought. Idiot.

It’s not about having citizenship offered, it’s about having it bestowed or conferred.

ALL of the countries that bestow such citizenships will be red on the map (assuming the people who made it know what they’re doing). However, not all of the countries in red WILL bestow such citizenships. There's a Venn diagram going on here isn't there? Guess what colour the middle bit's going to be.

So if one or both of your parents come from a red country, do your research before joining ISIS. Like Maomao just did.

 

[Spymaster]

It's very strange that according to your map people born in Guadeloupe or French Guiana have to negotiate different citizenship laws from those born in nice or angers

Not really. Countries sometimes treat nationals of overseas territories differently to home nationals for citizenship purposes. No big story there. I’m sure we could find plenty of other examples of that. Falkland Islanders/UK until relatively recently springs to mind .

 

[Pickman's model]

Not really. Countries sometimes treat nationals of overseas territories differently to home nationals for citizenship purposes. No big story there. I’m sure we could find plenty of other examples of that. Falkland Islanders/UK until relatively recently springs to mind .

France's overseas territories are part of France and represented in their parliament. They are not held at arm's length like the Falklands. French Guiana and Guadalupe are part of the eu

 

[Spymaster]

I'd be pretty upset if my kids joined ISIS but I can imagine them doing things that the British state, particularly this government ten-fifteen years down the line, might want to define as terrorism

Shouldn’t be a problem (at least as far as burnt made stateless is concerned) if they’re not dual citizens.

 

[Pickman's model]

France's overseas territories are part of France and represented in their parliament. They are not held at arm's length like the Falklands. French Guiana and Guadalupe are part of the eu

French Guiana - Out of this world

Alain de Botton finds a corner of South America that is forever France, and where tropical jungle tangles with space exploration

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Spymaster]

France's overseas territories are part of France and represented in their parliament. They are not held at arm's length like the Falklands. French Guiana and Guadalupe are part of the eu

Sounds like something you’d need to take up with France (or the map makers).

Interesting article though.

 

[maomao]

Shouldn’t be a problem (at least as far as burnt made stateless is concerned) if they’re not dual citizens.

They might push the definition a little further. They'd almost certainly be entitled if they were made stateless first (though China maybe not so keen if they'd been blowing stuff up). Right wing home secretaries have been successful in making this possible, who knows how far they'll take it if nobody complains now?

 

[Spymaster]

They might push the definition a little further. They'd almost certainly be entitled if they were made stateless first (though China maybe not so keen if they'd been blowing stuff up). Right wing home secretaries have been successful in making this possible, who knows how far they'll take it if nobody complains now?

We should most certainly complain very loudly indeed when there’s an example of genuine overreach by an HS. This just isn’t it.

 

[maomao]

We should most certainly complain very loudly indeed when there’s an example of genuine overreach by an HS. This just isn’t it.

IYO

 

[Athos]

At the very least, if such powers are to continue* then a single politician shouldn't be the decision-maker - that just invites decisions based on populism rather than the evidence/intelligence.

*There's a sensible debate to be had around this, particularly the fact that if such people are allowed back we either have to accept a greater risk to innocent lives or an increase in other state powers to mitigate that risk.

 

[A380]

Quick shufty suggests India's not that simple either so that's 80%+ of the population of the red areas discounted. It's a lot more to do with whether the citizenship has to be applied for or is somehow automatically conferred than whether it's by blood or land.

80% of the red area? Didn’t know China had been hit that hard by Covid....

 

[maomao]

80% of the red area? Didn’t know China had been hit that hard by Covid....

That's what the plus sign was for.

 

[A380]

That's what the plus sign was for.

?

 

[Spymaster]

At the very least, if such powers are to continue* then a single politicians shouldn't be the decision-maker - that just invites decisions based on populism rather than the evidence/intelligence.

*There's a sensible debate to be had around this, particularly the fact that if such people are allowed back we either have to accept a greater risk to innocent lives or an increase in other state powers to mitigate that risk.

I agree with this. It's somewhat academic given that there's never likely to be another Labour HS again, but the prospect of some Corbynesque loon welcoming all these fuckers back with open arms isn't one to savour.

What alternatives would you propose though?

 

[Athos]

I agree with this. It's somewhat academic given that there's never likely to be another Labour HS again, but the prospect of some Corbynesque loon welcoming all these fuckers back with open arms isn't one to savour.

What alternatives would you propose though?

Whilst far from perfect, having a panel of judges would be an improvement, as would an effective appeal system.

 

[maomao]

?

I'm actually out the other wayby the look of it so your China covid comment makes even less sense : confused:

 

[smmudge]

ALL of the countries that bestow such citizenships will be red on the map (assuming the people who made it know what they’re doing).

Or they could be blue.

 

[BillRiver]

Shamima Begum says ‘I was a dumb kid’ and pleads for UK return

 

[Athos]

I don't blame her, but she's laying it on a bit thick with the whole reinvention of her image. Not sure it'll help, though.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Bring her home

 

[Athos]

Shamina≠football

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[maomao]

Shamima Begum says ‘I was a dumb kid’ and pleads for UK return

How is this the first I've heard that Kim and Kanye are getting divorced?

 

[Pickman's model]

How is this the first I've heard that Kim and Kanye are getting divorced?

you'd be more in touch with things in a camp in the m.e.

 

[maomao]

Now the thread's been bumped I'm tempted to question the court's decision again just so that Lionel fucking Hutz up there can tell us all his opinion for the ninetieth fucking time.

 

[Spymaster]

Now the thread's been bumped I'm tempted to question the court's decision again just so that Lionel fucking Hutz up there can tell us all his opinion for the ninetieth fucking time.

Such a nightmare having a bloke who knows what he's talking about on the thread.

 

[skyscraper101]

Shamima Begum begs for forgiveness in first ever live TV interview

The former east London school girl said she was ‘groomed’ by the terror group to flee to Syria

www.standard.co.uk

I can’t see any of the current government being sympathetic to her case but I still say she should be allowed back.

 

[Athos]

Now she's able to communicate from the camp, hopefully she can participate in proceedings, so her case can be heard and decided one way or the other.

 

[MickiQ]

Speaking to Good Morning Britain live from a refugee camp on Wednesday, the 22-year-old wearing pink nail varnish, a Nike baseball hat and a grey vest offered to help Boris Johnson tackle terrorism because he “clearly doesn’t know what he is doing”.

Well Whatever you think of her she's not wrong about that. Dressing in a more Westernised fashion is clearly a somewhat cynical ploy for sympathy but I doubt she'll get much from either the public and certainly not from our political masters.
She lost her case to return to this country at the Supreme Court in Feb 2021 so she has zero right to return to argue the separate case about whether or not she can be stripped of her citizenship. She is going to be stuck in the Middle East for years if not the rest of her life.
Public sympathy is about the only (very unlikely) hope she has of returning to the UK, perhaps she might have a (slightly) better chance of persuading the Dutch authorities to let her join her 'husband'
My position on this hasn't changed since this thread began, I have no sympathy for Begum but am still opposed to the idea of politicians being able to strip citizenship acquired by birth.

 

[maomao]

Dressing in a more Westernised fashion is clearly a somewhat cynical ploy for sympathy

Or maybe burkas aren't that comfortable.