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Plastic Paddy
Sam, if I shoot Bahnhof Strasse, I've broken the law. I haven't used the law (or corrupted it) to kill him.
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British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Plastic Paddy
The kids are the difficult part. I'd do as Sweden, Germany and France, but am open to alternative suggestions that don't involve repatriating the adults.
maomao
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What about child fighters?
maomao
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Well that's sort of my point. What about a boy who started fighting at 14 because his parents were fighters and is 19 in a prison/refugee camp now? Death penalty?
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Plastic Paddy
If he's over 18 now and took part in genocide and rape he too should be subject to the laws of Iraq or Syria depending on where he committed the crimes.
maomao
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We've all agreed on the jurisdiction. Or at least you seem to as long as you think the Iraqis and Kurds agree with you. It's still a moral question. We're still allowed to have opinions. It's not like any of the other opinions we express on here have any bearing on real world events anyway. I'm asking what you would do in the Kurds' position.
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Plastic Paddy
Hand them over to the Iraqis.
maomao
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OK, what would you do in the Iraqis position?
LDC
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There won't be many (or even any?) of those given the timescales (they'd be a narrow window of age they went and then became old enough to fight) and fighting (they'd have to have survived) though surely? Anyone have the numbers of kids taken by their parents from the UK to Syria?
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Plastic Paddy
Try them according to the law and sentence them accordingly.
maomao
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Begum was 15 when she went and is 21 now.
maomao
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So why not have the Kurds try them?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah I know. Got any numbers of people from the UK that went there as children and ended up fighting and survived and are in camps?
maomao
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Dunno. There's tonnes from Syria and surrounding countries though. Why do they have to be from the UK?
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Plastic Paddy
I’d question whether the Kurds have the facilities to safely detain thousands of people serving substantial sentences, and then there are jurisdictional issues. But now that this is the reality of the situation, having the Kurds try them is probably the least worst option.
maomao
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So you don't want to actually say what you'd do with hypothetical child soldiers. Don't blame you.
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Plastic Paddy
I’ve said exactly what I’d do with them in the hypothetical situation you’ve given. I just didn’t stick my foot into the trap that you were trying to set
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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Starry Wisdom
depends if you claim self-defence or not
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Starry Wisdom
he's often out of control on urban so it wouldn't be surprising if he was equally out of control on a boat
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I assumed that was who you were meaning as we were talking about them being stripped of UK citizenship and being brought back here or not that's why.
But OK a wider question, yeah they'll be a fair number of younger fighters from areas IS took.
maomao
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The trap of having an opinion? You've already advocated getting the kids out and bombing the rest and now you're hiding behind an uncharacteristic anti imperialist position because you think the Iraqis especially will do what you want. I just want to know what you mean by 'get the kids out' cause they're not all cute little five year olds. Some of them are teenagers who've been killing.
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Plastic Paddy
I wish I'd never said that now. Most people realised it was tongue in cheek trolling but it's given a few dickheads ammunition hasn't it? This is like when you banged-on for a year or more that I'm an advocator of genital mutilation because I said that cyclists who crash red lights should have their dicks nailed to their saddles!
So there we have it. That's the trap that you were trying to set of course, but now that it hasn't worked you're pretending it did anyway and that you've proven a point. You haven't. I've even said that I'd (grudgingly) find trial by the Kurds acceptable but you've ignored that because you obviously want to whine something about me advocating mass capital punishment by Iraqi proxy. Sorry to have disappointed you.
I've been perfectly clear since the beginning of this thread what I think sould happen and I've been perfectly clear in responding to your silly attempted gotchas.
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Starry Wisdom
perhaps not for that long if the sas and other forces in the area keep killing them
Elite SAS Soldiers Wipe out 100 ISIS Fighters in “Jihadi Cave” Mission
ISIS Fighters SAS IRAQ
www.euroweeklynews.com
maomao
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I'm not opposing capital punishment across the board though. I'm opposing automatic capital punishment for all enemy combatants. And I'm particularly concerned about child soldiers. You just want to swing your justice boner about without actually making a coherent argument.I wish I'd never said that now. Most people realised it was tongue in cheek trolling but it's given a few dickheads ammunition hasn't it? This is like when you banged-on for a year or more that I'm an advocator of genital mutilation because I said that cyclists who crash red lights should have their dicks nailed to their saddles!
So there we have it. That's the trap that you were trying to set of course, but now that it hasn't worked you're pretending it did anyway and that you've proven a point. You haven't. I've even said that I'd (grudgingly) find trial by the Kurds acceptable but you've ignored that because you want to whine something about me advocating capital punishment by Iraqi proxy. Sorry to have disappointed you.
I've been perfectly clear since the beginning of this thread what I think sould happen and I've been perfectly clear in responding to your silly attempted gotchas.
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Starry Wisdom
you might use the necessity defence of course
tho it might backfire and result in a longer sentence
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Plastic Paddy
I've no particular problem with that. You're just getting yourself jizzed-up on the thought that because I've advocated Iraqi or Syrian justice, I've advocated blanket capital punishment. I haven't, but it wouldn't bother me if they hanged them all. There's a difference.
maomao
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The difference presumably being the ability to have a consistent point of view and argue it.
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