Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes

[JuanTwoThree]

Out of the box

 

[Pickman's model]

But what does Gary Neville think?

Who cares?

 

[JimW]

Still, he's never shown any capability of keeping us in Europe before, so no big deal.

 

[hot air baboon]

...at least Beckham won something in Europe unlike Cameron...

 

[skyscraper101]

Who cares?

I would quite like the opinions of all the Class of 92 to be honest.

 

[hot air baboon]

..what would Bobby Moore do...?

 

[ignatious]

I would quite like the opinions of all the Class of 92 to be honest.

Well, Phil Neville's certainly got previous for 'out'.

 

[skyscraper101]

..what would Bobby Moore do...?

Look in at the local

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[Sprocket.]

Breaking news....

David Beckham backs Remain

At least he can place a cross in a box.
Unlike some last night!

 

[Wilf]

Well, Phil Neville's certainly got previous for 'out'.

I seem to remember a picture of Paul Scholes where he's definitely 'out'.

 

[eoin_k]

You're stay? Forget your teeth, the votes count the same.

I'm still undecided but will probably vote to remain. I agree with a lot of the arguments against the EU; you would be a fool not to. That said, I can't see brexit resulting in any sort of step forward in the current climate. It leading to more working class power in this country seems no more credible to me than an effective trans-European movement for a social Europe. Unsurprisingly, we have been given a shit choice.

If I vote to remain it will be for much more pragmatic reasons: family living near the border in Ireland, friends and relatives whose status in the UK might be adversely affected. That doesn't mean that I don't take offence at those in the remain camp who take it for granted that their choice is more progressive or ethical than that of their opponents.

 

[YouSir]

I'm still undecided but will probably vote to remain. I agree with a lot of the arguments against the EU; you would be a fool not to. That said, I can't see brexit resulting in any sort of step forward in the current climate. It leading to more working class power in this country seems no more credible to me than an effective trans-European movement for a social Europe. Unsurprisingly, we have been given a shit choice.

If I vote to remain it will be for much more pragmatic reasons: family living near the border in Ireland, friends and relatives whose status in the UK might be adversely affected. That doesn't mean that I don't take offence at those in the remain camp who take it for granted that their choice is more progressive or ethical than that of their opponents.

For me it's less about some vague notion of a workers resurgence in the current climate and more about how determined the EU may be to make it worse for us a few years down the road. The opening markets mentality, the attacks on Greece, the pro austerity stuff - it's bad enough to have a current government that is as bad as ours. Never mind being member of an organization that aspires to the same attitudes Europe wide.

 

[8den]

 

[J Ed]

Except the bodies within the EU which have a democratic deficit aren't remotely comparable to the monarchy, and plenty of people who are voting Leave (especially on here) are Republicans anyway.

 

[DotCommunist]

and charles is somehow wearing the wrong hat- thats I religious mans hat by my eye. Like a bish and his mitre

 

[YouSir]

and charles is somehow wearing the wrong hat- thats I religious mans hat by my eye. Like a bish and his mitre

Finally given up on his royal dreams and decided to get a desk job as Pope. His mum's delighted, he'll be moving out of home.

 

[two sheds]

I hear the queen's physician has come out for legalizing assisted dying, Brenda needs to watch her cornflakes.

 

[8den]

Except the bodies within the EU which have a democratic deficit aren't remotely comparable to the monarchy,.

What about the House of Lords

 

[J Ed]

What about the House of Lords

'There has to be one of these awful memes that will work, just have to find the right one...

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

EU commissioners are not elected.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I hear the queen's physician has come out for legalizing assisted dying, Brenda needs to watch her cornflakes.

They killed her Grandad as well, she really does need to be careful.

 

[DotCommunist]

they too shall be mining salt

 

[J Ed]

EU commissioners are not elected.

So far in this referendum I have found that people generally do not see a lack of knowledge as an obstacle to being patronising.

 

[ViolentPanda]

But if we leave we can get rid of those "bedfellows" at the next GE, if we remain we are stuck with the bedlice forever, and have no doubt, if we remain, the tiny concessions that Cameron has seemingly wrung from the rest of the EU will be struck down in legal challenges within months.
Followed by other pressures for us to 'fall in line'

And at the next GE we replace bedlice with more bedlice, albeit with differently-coloured skins.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No I'm just not willing to engage in a wider debate on the general topic with a particular poster, the point I made in this thread doesn't depend on my views on the issues surrounding brexit or whether I'm for or against.

Except how you engage with that poster is how you engage with anyone who questions your opinions.

 

[Biscuitician]

Actually the UK has 60 million lawmakers and potential lawmakers, it's just they don't have a say because hooray for representative democracy.

For all the say I have in society and all the power I'm given by the bourgeoisie, I might as well be governed by the EU, they are no more distant than Westminster.

 

[J Ed]

So far in this referendum I have found that people generally do not see a lack of knowledge as an obstacle to being patronising.

Left wingers for Brexit need to wake up to what they're about to do

This person has a PhD...

Yet another one to file away into the 'liberal who thinks he is left-wing chastising socialists for actually being socialist' category.

 

[Pickman's model]

Left wingers for Brexit need to wake up to what they're about to do

This person has a PhD...

Yet another one to file away into the 'liberal who thinks he is left-wing chastising socialists for actually being socialist' category.

no, he doesn't have a phd. he is studying for a phd

 

[J Ed]

no, he doesn't have a phd. he is studying for a phd

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His arguments are terrible. Really awful.