Given everything they have said previously I can't see how the DUP could go along with this.
BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?
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Given everything they have said previously I can't see how the DUP could go along with this.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Yep. And given that despite their protestations (ha) otherwise, they are very much an Ulster party than a British one, I very much doubt that they are going to go along with the fudging.
They are more likely to say "Fudge off" - it's ironic that their "vinjince, be jaysus" style of politics is a thoroughly Irish one.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Maybe, but the wisdom of the move will not, ultimately, be evident until the division is counted this evening (?)
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Could well be another 3 figure 'shellacking', then?
It's dead. It's dead now and will be dead this evening. Today will be a total waste of everyone's time.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I can't see any motivation for the ERG et al to vote for this. I mean, what's the worst that could happen if they vote against?
A second ref? Which they'd win, and would likely strengthen the hand of "no deal"?
A GE where they can present as sticking to trying implement the the people's will to (likely) sympathetic constituents?
Brexit delayed? or cancelled? Whoopee! They can carry on forging their political careers with their USP intact.
OTOH. If they vote for May's deal. That's it over. With little to show for it. It'd take some serious bribeage to get 'em on board imho
A second ref? Which they'd win, and would likely strengthen the hand of "no deal"?
A GE where they can present as sticking to trying implement the the people's will to (likely) sympathetic constituents?
Brexit delayed? or cancelled? Whoopee! They can carry on forging their political careers with their USP intact.
OTOH. If they vote for May's deal. That's it over. With little to show for it. It'd take some serious bribeage to get 'em on board imho
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I guess it'll be evident pretty soon. When do we expect MPs to start declaring they're voting against? Within the next few minutes quite possibly.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
def possible. I think the legal advice has brutally exposed the last 24 hours as a pathetic charade - another heavy defeat and she may well be finished.
So onwards to round 3 then, whenever that it.
May is basically the impediment to getting anything resolved. Until she is removed we will be stuck in this hideous purgatory pantomime.
From their perspective, the Norway option Boles et al are pushing is the biggest risk.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
yeah - this is the thing with the brexiteers - keeping the faith in the true flame of brexit is more important to them than the actuality of making that happen. Their political capital depends on it - going along with whatever dismal damp fart of a brexit actually materialises gains them nothing.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Heraclitus not Buddha
"No MP ever votes in the same meaningful vote on Brexit twice, even though it's exactly the same vote on exactly the same Brexit and (s)he's exactly the same MP (apart from the Tingers who no longer represent the parties they were elected as).”
Doesn't quite have the same ring does it.
Brexit Betrayed could be a very powerful campaigning tool for rightwing politicians over the next few years.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Indeed; but to be so for the ERG would necessitate some sort of splitting from the governing party. Otherwise, they'll be taken down in the pull of the sinking ship.
I suppose the ERG lot could vote for the deal on the basis of 'live to fight another day'. There really is no need for the Backstop to come into play as no one wants it so at least this way they can keep Brexit going and try to influence what comes next.
If it ends up heading in the way of Norway Plus and customs unions they're basically dead in the water.
Would be a massive climb down though of course.
If it ends up heading in the way of Norway Plus and customs unions they're basically dead in the water.
Would be a massive climb down though of course.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Not sure about that - Brexit Betrayed is how they plan to take control of the party, not split from it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Interesting; would be bloody.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
That was a response to Jon Snow on Twitter saying that there was political pressure on him.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So, assuming another 3 figure defeat, where next? Literally, next is the 'ruling out no deal' thing tomorrow > seeking an extension the day after. But if the EU are to stick with the 'no third chance' line... Clearly something will happen, something that isn't no deal and isn't slinking back into the EU, so there will be some procedural wiggle. But fucking hell, these are multidimensional clowns. 
toblerone3
Grrrrr
elbows
Well-Known Member
Swing, swing, swing the bollocks of justice, see how fast the bastards bounce.
With apologies to Reeves & Mortimer.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
An extension and a new negotiation with new/no 'red lines'. Presumably May is finally toast. tbh the only thing I would totally rule out as a possible eventual outcome is 'no deal'.So, assuming another 3 figure defeat, where next? Literally, next is the 'ruling out no deal' thing tomorrow > seeking an extension the day after. But if the EU are to stick with the 'no third chance' line... Clearly something will happen, something that isn't no deal and isn't slinking back into the EU, so there will be some procedural wiggle. But fucking hell, these are multidimensional clowns.
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