The next person to say "it's like getting the egg back out of a baked cake" is literally worse than Hitler and Chris Grayling
BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Henceforth Hitlering.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I think stopping that saying would be like...would...would be...
gosub
~#
tbf It would a very different world if Chris Grayling had "organised" the Holocaust
Argonia
Happy go licky
He would have given the Zyklon B contract to a company that had never made poisons
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
After being moved on from his previous role where he outsourced the job of invading france and the low countries to Italy.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It's a sign of how high the Fucked Up bar is at the moment that Chris Grayling remains anywhere near having any kind of 'job', or even existence. Last Friday, I think it was channel 4 were reporting on the spot from the house of commons as may's latest 'deal' was voted down. As their reporter waited to speak to someone 'in the know', who should lurch into view (well, he is quite tall and gormless) but Grayling. It's like getting asking some genetic stitch up of Gerald Ratner, David Moyes and the captain of the Titanic about the way forward. 
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
So am I right in thinking that May's final toss of the dice has been to use the possibility of a general election as a threat against her own party, in order to get them to vote for the deal? She's basically saying 'Vote for my deal or your seat gets it.' Can she actually carry through on the threat? And has she gone actually insane?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm quite, quite lost, so not a good one to ask, but it seems to be something like this:
CALL - 'Look, it's my deal vs no deal'. RESPONSE - 'NO!'
CALL - 'Okay, it's my deal vs staying in at least a year'. RESPONSE - 'NO!'
CALL - 'Okay, it's my deal vs a general election - and look, ha ha, Labour are 5% ahead! Ha, ha, ha... you are toast'. RESPONSE - 'What, this might affect ME! Fuck that, where do I sign up?'
maomao
普費斯
A lot of the erg lot are in safe seats anyway aren't they? I don't think my swivel eyed loon of an MP (Rosindell, Romford) gives a fuck about a GE with his 14,000 majority.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
It does look that way
or at least 'Vote for my deal or you might get Jeremy Corbyn as PM'
hard to tell. she would either need to lose a (parliamentary not conservative party) vote of no confidence (which is a simple majority), or get 2/3 of MPs to vote to dissolve parliament (under the so-called fixed term parliaments act.) This suggests that a a fair number of tory MPs are not impressed with the idea.
The limp dems and tinge have said they will vote with theresa may on a vote of no confidence (although that was at least a week ago so they may have changed position since) and it's hard to imagine the tingers being keen on an early general election.
but anything is possible...
i couldn't possibly comment.
maomao
普費斯
Because the Tiggers especially will be out of a job the day after the next GE.
stdP
One Swiss dinosaur in Polly Gosling's anorak hood
"Gone" as in "only just gone insane"? IMNSHO ever since DCs abject failure in the referendum she's become an increasingly unhinged grasping little despot, a Mussolini without the charisma. A hapless wannabe dictator that just can't understand why everyone won't just do what she tells them to (and yes that includes threatening members of her own party by any means necessary, up to and including the sheer unbridled horror of the possibility of a labour government) and yet the only person capable of saving the beloved Party (and thus the country). She's gone full on Hitler-Rant-scorched-earth "all of you people have failed me, if only you'd have appreciated the genius of my plans we'd be running through fields of wheat by now" delusional, trying to drag as many people down with her as possible and putting bricks in the lifejackets and holes in the lifeboats of everyone she can't literally sink her talons into.
I'd say "False Dichtomy" was her middle name if it wasn't already "Xenophobic Authoritarian Tyrant".
I don't think history will be much kinder to her than this post is (if you've not guessed I don't like her very much) but I don't think it's going to be much kinder to the UK as a whole either, as the general impression that your average-guy-on-the-non-UK-street is getting is that this is what the most of the UK wants.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
She was always like this though, at least from the point at which she became Home Secretary and almost certainly before that (given that she is a lifelong Tory).
One also has to acknowledge that by the perverse standards of the Coalition and Tory Governments, she was the senior minister who actually did things - the go home vans, Windrush, (apprently) accepting and imposing the severe cuts on her department. messing about with drug policy for entirely political ends, inventing cats and the rest - always in the teeth of political hostility, (almost certainly) with official advice that disagreed with her and most importantly with people who actually would be affected telling her to her face of what the effects would be. She pushed the policies through regardless, which of course is something that the party has always rated more important than what the policies actually do.
This stubbornness is not the cause of her problems, and its been of considerable help to her politically up to this point. Her problem is that a party which allows itself to get into the position where a bad Home Secretary that ignores advice and reality in order to push through poorly-thought out nonsense is the outstanding candidate for leader, is a party which is in rather serious trouble. Everything we have seen since mid 2016 - the messing up of negotiations, the policy disasters, the 2017 election, the massive defeats in the Commons - stem from the fact that they are basically rubbish.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
because they would rather have a tory government than the possibility of a corbyn led labour government?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I don't really get the fuss over the cheating thing. The Electoral commission is soft as shite. You cheat, you pay a fine. Everyone knows it, it's like the Catholic indulgences of yore.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
But they're quite likely to lose the election as a party and be out of power. Those fashy ERG edgelords think one of their number should be the next PM. A general election right now is not likely to return that result - or at least, it's not a very safe bet. Much much safer to just try to edge TM out and get one of their number in. Then there's time to re-write the narratives - explain that the EU fucked up Brexit, not them, and normalise their medium-to-far right language - before the next election.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
and if the rule you have broken is breaking the spending limits then the billionaires who have bankrolled the whole damn thing won't really care that much.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
To be fair, that's how Major got Maastricht through. To be honest I think if she'd done that in the first place she might have pulled this off - a straightforward "vote for me or its GE time" vote would have made a lot of sense. Think she's left it too late. Small number of Tories and DUP are just too entrenched against it now to shift position.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
EU seems to be 'embracing' the idea of a customs union:
Britain 'could leave EU by 22 May if MPs vote for customs union'
If the customs union indicative vote does get through, I presume that it then only needs May to convince herself that she would still be 'delivering brexit'. However her bigger concern would be the immediate splits that would generate in the tory party. Her predominant concern throughout the whole process.
EDit: actually, that was a statement of the obvious.
Britain 'could leave EU by 22 May if MPs vote for customs union'
If the customs union indicative vote does get through, I presume that it then only needs May to convince herself that she would still be 'delivering brexit'. However her bigger concern would be the immediate splits that would generate in the tory party. Her predominant concern throughout the whole process.
EDit: actually, that was a statement of the obvious.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I keep thinking about the whole thing in terms of the psychology of the key players rather than some kind of political economy. In those terms I think you are right. There are certainly a good few tories for whom standing firm, some kind of 'patriotism' against May's deal, has become a part of their political identity.
I think both the Tories and Labour should be very keen on not running EU elections - it could be an absolute bloodbath for both of them, and give both the far right and a pro-eu centrist group big wins and an electoral base to build on. I dunno if that threat will be enough to get a CU over the line, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
What people need at this time is fucking Bob Geldof "bringing them together"
Yeah a bloke that slagged of leave voters as racists and dimwits is perfect.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He does bring people together, everyone despises him
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Nah, he's one of the People's Vote darlings.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
let's settle this the urban way, with a poll
rekil
to menny cranks
Do you know what date it is? Now you must bear the shame of being had by a shit G joke.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
D'oh.
I guess it shows how stupid things have got when as moronic as this shit seems it doesn't seem that unlikely.
sorry to break this to you, but this is an obvious april fools.
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