BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[danny la rouge]

The narrative of truculant incompetence is a very attractive one, but I dont believe it. Which isn't to say that May's strategy will work, or that she hasn't possibly got lots of things wrong.

I think the nature of the political moment is that there isn't necessarily any strategy that will work though. So whatever May or any other replacement leader does, they'll be viewed by history to have fucked right up.

I don’t think she’s uniquely inept or anything, but I am reminded of a story a mate often tells. He refers to an old documentary he once saw in which old IRA guys talked about negotiating with the British government in the very early 70s. (Probably in Belfast, though I didn’t see the docu myself).

He says the way the IRA guys told it, the government officials would make a position, then leave the room to discuss the IRA’s counter position, only to return putting a completely contradictory position. The IRA couldn’t work out what this strategy was. They thought they were being blindsided by something they couldn’t figure out. Then after a few more goes, realised the government team didn’t know what it was doing. They just had a public school, Oxbridge unshakable confidence in their own competence. And an unquestioning belief that they had to be smarter than the IRA representatives.

This is a story my mate often uses to illustrate upper middle class self belief. I can’t verify the accuracy of the telling of the docu, but it rings true. I can quite believe it.

 

[Cid]

I’ll mention Tim Shipman’s books on the referendum and election again... although he clearly respects those in the Westminster bubble and is obviously heavily invested in that world, nothing he says leads me to believe that truculent incompetence isn’t the most likely option. Combined with that unshakable self belief Danny mentions above.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Theresa May is still struggling to come to terms with the fact that people just won't do what she jolly well tells them to do.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’ll mention Tim Shipman’s books on the referendum and election again... although he clearly respects those in the Westminster bubble and is obviously heavily invested in that world, nothing he says leads me to believe that truculent incompetence isn’t the most likely option. Combined with that unshakable self belief Danny mentions above.

Stupidity incompetence and entitlement, a toxic trinity

 

[Kaka Tim]

Stupidity incompetence and entitlement, a toxic trinity

its their fucking motto - we need that it in latin with some heraldic beast tripping over with its trousers round its ankles.

 

[Pickman's model]

its their fucking motto - we need that it in latin with some heraldic beast tripping over with its trousers round its ankles.

At last a task for teuchter

 

[alsoknownas]

Can I offer you a top up, Danny

You do realise your glass will then be less than half full?

 

[LDC]

I don’t think she’s uniquely inept or anything, but I am reminded of a story a mate often tells. He refers to an old documentary he once saw in which old IRA guys talked about negotiating with the British government in the very early 70s. (Probably in Belfast, though I didn’t see the docu myself).

He says the way the IRA guys told it, the government officials would make a position, then leave the room to discuss the IRA’s counter position, only to return putting a completely contradictory position. The IRA couldn’t work out what this strategy was. They thought they were being blindsided by something they couldn’t figure out. Then after a few more goes, realised the government team didn’t know what it was doing. They just had a public school, Oxbridge unshakable confidence in their own competence. And an unquestioning belief that they had to be smarter than the IRA representatives.

This is a story my mate often uses to illustrate upper middle class self belief. I can’t verify the accuracy of the telling of the docu, but it rings true. I can quite believe it.

I've met a few MPs (don't even get me started on the minor political functionaries like councillors) over the years and I have always been shocked at how completely and utterly fucking useless they were. And when I say useless I don't mean they don't have the latest facts and figures or an incisive insight or witty story to reel off, I mean useless like barely able to function as a normal human, but as has been said, at the same time totally oblivious to their own incompetence.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Well if you didn't vote you can't complain about the outcome.

Just in case you are being serious...

I think that spoiling my ballot was a legitimate response to what was obviously a flawed and wholly insulting choice of which flavour political shit sandwich I'd prefer. I decided to do so not just because I very much cared about the outcome of the referendum, but also in protest to how it came about and how it was campaigned by both sides. Whilst it successfully illuminated the unpalatable underbelly of our political class and continues to do so the feeling of being a turkey voting for xmas and seeing just how deeply others were swallowing and propagating the rhetoric left me disgusted.

So yeah, Disgusted of London. That's me.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

its their fucking motto - we need that it in latin with some heraldic beast tripping over with its trousers round its ankles.

"Entitlemento, stupore et incompetentia"

 

[Ted Striker]

I think May has a strategy: it's to use the threat of no deal on one side, and extension/revoke/etc on the other to force through her deal as the only thing that avoids one or the other. It may even work eventually, although it's not looking likely right now.

I think the outcome of the vote between Her deal vs Letwin options output (Likely soft Brexit/Common Markets) will see Her deal through - The rest of the ERG will fall in line once the Common Market Brexit gets closer to the finish line and is legitimately presented as the only/most likely possible path (unless you vote for her deal).

 

[Pickman's model]

I think the outcome of the vote between Her deal vs Letwin options output (Likely soft Brexit/Common Markets) will see Her deal through - The rest of the ERG will fall in line once the Common Market Brexit gets closer to the finish line and is legitimately presented as the only/most likely possible path (unless you vote for her deal).

It doesn't matter how all the tories vote, it's how everyone else does. If the dup continue saying no then as long as all the other parties say no too then the deal falls

 

[xenon]

nm

 

[Spymaster]

 

[Pickman's model]

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That's your best post since 5/12/2001

 

[killer b]

I think the outcome of the vote between Her deal vs Letwin options output (Likely soft Brexit/Common Markets) will see Her deal through - The rest of the ERG will fall in line once the Common Market Brexit gets closer to the finish line and is legitimately presented as the only/most likely possible path (unless you vote for her deal).

Sure, that's still a very real possibility - and if it does happen her approach will frankly be vindicated. Thinking about it, I'm really not sure she could have done much different - post election 2017 - that wouldn't crash her government.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Don't worry, a new royal yacht will make everything right again...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/102858/excl-new-royal-yacht-britannia-would-‘unite’-country

Jake Berry said: “The rebuilding of the Royal Yacht Britannia is not government policy. However, my personal view about it is in a post-Brexit environment it could play a real role in driving international trade.

“Things like that can provide new symbols of unity that we could potentially use to bring our country back together, something we could be proud of, something we could unite behind.

To quote my mate who shared this on Facebook, "For fuck's sake WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE"

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't worry, a new royal yacht will make everything right again...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/102858/excl-new-royal-yacht-britannia-would-‘unite’-country


To quote my mate who shared this on Facebook, "For fuck's sake WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE"

i think they're on to something

just need a bit of finessing

 

[Lord Camomile]

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Titanic II is actually planned And I'm talking about the vessel, not the film.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Titanic II is actually planned And I'm talking about the vessel, not the film.

doesn't have to be titanic ii, could be mary rose ii

 

[Sprocket.]

i think they're on to something

just need a bit of finessing

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The Titanic anniversary on the 15th April!

 

[Sprocket.]

Captained by Theresa May.
Full speed ahead and fuck the icebergs.

 

[Serge Forward]

Didn't that Grayling try and bung White Star for a Titanic ferry service?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Captained by Theresa May.
Full speed ahead and fuck the icebergs.

this disaster in entirely due to the stubbornness and intransigence of the iceberg. The british people will not forget that it refused to move out of the way when the county was crying out for inanimate objects to embrace the spirit of compromise and to do as they are told .... glug .... glug ... glug ...........

 

[Pickman's model]

this disaster in entirely due to the stubbornness and intransigence of the iceberg. The british people will not forget that it refused to move out of the way when the county was crying out for inanimate objects to embrace the spirit of compromise and to do as they are told .... glug .... glug ... glug ...........

To be fair recent analysis suggests the disaster caused by the captain of the titanic obeying the law of the sea and turning go starboard. The iceberg for reasons best known to it didn't follow a similar course of action

 

[Sprocket.]

There’s the rub, with Theresa May at the helm a continual veer to the right would be a constant.

ETA: This would obviously lead to her going around in a never ending circle.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

channel 4 news this evening accosting members of the public, and asked one or two people "what should theresa may do next?"

don't know how many people they had to ask before they got an answer other than "fuck off"

 

[Steel Icarus]

I started reading the first page of this thread by accident and could tell no difference between it and the last page.

 

[butchersapron]

channel 4 news this evening accosting members of the public, and asked one or two people "what should theresa may do next?"

don't know how many people they had to ask before they got an answer other than "fuck off"

C4 news killing it on just 'reporting the news' guv this week.

 

[newbie]

Don't worry, a new royal yacht will make everything right again...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/102858/excl-new-royal-yacht-britannia-would-‘unite’-country


To quote my mate who shared this on Facebook, "For fuck's sake WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE"

did you think they'd stopped while all this is going on?

27/03/2019


Talking of which, the resignation honours list is going to be very interesting indeed.