BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[danny la rouge]

They will almost certainly vote for an extension cos the alternative will be crashing out

Voting for one and getting one are two different things. And even if they get one, it will only be a matter of weeks. (I can’t see any extension lasting beyond the beginning of the Euro election campaign).

Anyone who has ever negotiated anything will know that extending deadlines just means putting off decisions. Negotiations are concluded at deadlines. Both sides know that.

 

[chilango]

What does the EU want us* to do?

*Obviously not actually us, but govt, parliament etc.

 

[Sprocket.]

I’ve not seen any of the Matrix films, so the allusion is lost on me, but I have never in any sense had the feeling, even fleetingly, that May is fighting “for us”.

I totally concur, I have never had the slightest inkling about this.

 

[danny la rouge]

What does the EU want us* to do?

*Obviously not actually us, but govt, parliament etc.

Make a decision, would be my guess.

 

[bemused]

I'm hoping for a general election.

 

[Wilf]

I’ve not seen any of the Matrix films, so the allusion is lost on me, but I have never in any sense had the feeling, even fleetingly, that May is fighting “for us”.

Me neither (it's a line from the filum).

Anyway, if our properly elected prime minister is kicked out, I wonder if there's a risk of terrorism in her name? The Spirit of the Wheatfield could strike anywhere.

 

[danny la rouge]

The Spirit of the Wheatfield could strike anywhere.

That sounds a bit Summer Isle. And I’m all for it.

 

[Sprocket.]

The Spirit of the Wheatfield could strike anywhere.

Children of the Corn may be more appropriate?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Voting for one and getting one are two different things. And even if they get one, it will only be a matter of weeks. (I can’t see any extension lasting beyond the beginning of the Euro election campaign).

Anyone who has ever negotiated anything will know that extending deadlines just means putting off decisions. Negotiations are concluded at deadlines. Both sides know that.

yes - should have been clearer. Parliament will vote to ask the EU for an extension - what happens after that .... well back to the start of this thread! The EU may insist that there has be some sort of meaningful change - i.e a General Election or a 2nd ref - they might allow an extension is the UK can show there is a majority in parliament favour or a customs union/soft brexit type thing.

 

[danny la rouge]

yes - should have been clearer. Parliament will vote to ask the EU for an extension - what happens after that .... well back to the start of this thread! The EU may insist that there has be some sort of meaningful change - i.e a General Election or a 2nd ref - they might allow an extension is the UK can show there is a majority in parliament favour or a customs union/soft brexit type thing.

If I was a betting man, and I am, I’d be putting money on other events entirely. Sporting fixtures. Or the Queen retiring.

 

[killer b]

Remember this?

Don't put anything past these kinda bastards simply cos it's "policy". Their sense of self-importance will override that everytime.

this doesn't really compare though. What would TIG gain from selling out their defining policy for a vote the government will lose either way? It doesn't make sense. Sure there's circumstances where some of them might back May's deal - today is definitely not one of them.

 

[skyscraper101]

 

[Idris2002]

this doesn't really compare though. What would TIG gain from selling out their defining policy for a vote the government will lose either way? It doesn't make sense. Sure there's circumstances where some of them might back May's deal - today is definitely not one of them.

Are you perhaps overestimating the competence of the Tinge-ernational brigade?

 

[danny la rouge]

Is Ed even still a thing?

 

[FiFi]

Can I just put on record the fact that I voted for "chaos with Ed Milliband" in the first place.

 

[Sprocket.]

Is Ed even still a thing?

He was when avoiding my gaze two weeks ago.

 

[danny la rouge]

Can I just put on record the fact that I voted for "chaos with Ed Milliband" in the first place.

 

[danny la rouge]

He was when avoiding my gaze two weeks ago.

That’s nice. I like to think of him roaming the country, avoiding eye contact wherever he goes.

 

[Santino]

When I watched the third Matrix film I thought that it was a load of nonsense with a script that made no sense and I did feel cheated out of a proper ending.

 

[JimW]

Is Ed even still a thing?

I believe, Daniel, that the comedy comes in part from the implication that scaremongering is so hackneyed as to be oblivious to any change in Labour leadership.

 

[danny la rouge]

I believe, Daniel, that the comedy comes in part from the implication that scaremongering is so hackneyed as to be oblivious to any change in Labour leadership.

Ah. That’s a bit subtle for me.

 

[danny la rouge]

When I watched the third Matrix film I thought that it was a load of nonsense with a script that made no sense and I did feel cheated out of a proper ending.

I’m beginning to see its felicity as an allegory then.

 

[JimW]

Ah. That’s a bit subtle for me.

It might also be bollocks given it's me doing the thinking/interpreting

 

[killer b]

Are you perhaps overestimating the competence of the Tinge-ernational brigade?

No. Their founding principle, their purpose in existing, the reason they all left political parties they've given their lives to is to bring about a second referendum is all. So they wont be voting for May's deal tonight.

 

[Sprocket.]

No. Their founding principle, their purpose in existing, the reason they all left political parties they've given their lives to is to bring about a second referendum is all. So they wont be voting for May's deal tonight.

If they have any principles at all.

 

[redsquirrel]

With the DUP out that give the license to Tory opposition. Might get the margin below 200 this time but it doesn't look like it's going to be below 150.

 

[killer b]

If they have any principles at all.

Its nothing to do with principles, they dont have any. It's because there is no upside whatsoever to voting for it.

 

[Teaboy]

With the DUP out that give the license to Tory opposition. Might get the margin below 200 this time but it doesn't look like it's going to be below 150.

Well there has been a few tories who have changed their mind to back May and Rees-Mogg reckons the ERG are still undecided. Leadsom and Grayling talking about third votes...

 

[Sprocket.]

Its nothing to do with principles, they dont have any. It's because there is no upside whatsoever to voting for it.

I thought it was ‘their founding principle’? Your post.

 

[killer b]

I thought it was ‘their founding principle’? Your post.

Soz that should have been in inverted commas.