equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Ah, don't be silly. I think you've deployed this pathetic and sexist line before.
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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Name calling from you when you've been rumbled or called out is one thing, but suggesting that I'm pretending to care about minimum wages is quite different.The topic may just represent an opportunity for you to amuse yourself and display your forum persona, but to many, far too many, the lived reality of NM("L")W is a big deal. Many people here will remember the times before 1999 when pays rates could be excessively low; my parents' entire working lives were blighted by atrocious hourly rates paid by employers that stole from them and kept them and the family in poverty. My children's working lives are playing out in a labour market with the NM("L")W, but they are acutely aware of the dark irony of the word "living" attached to their £10.42/ hr wages and my eldest is currently engaged in a battle to get her employer to adopt the RLW. So please don't suggest that I don't care about the NM("L")W; that is just bang out of order. Your life may be so comfortable that you don't have to concern yourself with such matters, but many/most other folk are not so lucky.I don’t think you know what that means.
Fancy answering that question yet?
Didn’t think so
Stop pretending to give a monkeys about minimum wage. If you did you’d be applauding BD for paying so well for so long, whilst everyone else was paying MW and still are. This is about your personal beef, not workers conditions, you fibbing old charlatan!
No matter how much the words are posted for effect, the very notion that any employer should be "applauded" for paying workers reveals a troubling world view. Of course, BD workers getting £12/hr rather than £10.42 was a good thing, but the corollary, that you appear to struggle with, is that the reversal of that rate for newly appointed workers is a bad thing.
Please try to resist the urge to reply with a
or "funny" retort; this isn't at all amusing for those concerned.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Finally we get there.
Do you also recognise that they were one of very few employers in the industry that ever paid bar staff over minimum wage, and as such the ire you direct at them would be better employed directed at almost any other employer in the sector, including the ones supported by all the haters on here with their patronage? Accordingly, your attacks on BD are motivated by your beef with them, developed as a result of you joining the silly witch-hunt on this thread, rather than a genuine concern for their employees.
And do you also now agree that BD have not scrapped the living wage?
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
"we" again. Have the courage to speak for yourself, rather than some imaginary posse of fellow trollevers.
Employers pay at the rate necessary to attract and retain enough labour to sustain their accumulation. If, to do so, that results in pay rates above the NMW the employer deserves no credit, it is merely an expression of their ability to for recruit and retain. What is concerning about employers like BD and Capita ditching the RLW is that it signals trends in the labour market towards increased exploitation of workers. That is why it was very sensible for hitmouse 's comrades to consider whether this presages a broader attack on the RLW.
Here, try reading this FT piece.
Here we go again: BrewDog accused of ‘ripping off’ gin brand with new tequila
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
and, of course, it's important to remember the specific context that makes it "harder" for BD to pay the RLW; their impending IPO demands that more profit is available for dividends. So, steal from the workers to give to the shareholders who live off unearned income.
Cunts.
Cunts.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I always find this type of thing interesting. Without having the bottles in front of me it's difficult to be exact about the similarities due to the differences in photography but these are both blue/aqua bottle of an apparently similar shape. Would the consumer be mistaken and buy the wrong bottle? If you ask someone what spirits they want you to get from the supermarket and they reply 'that one in that light blue bottle with the long neck', well, potentially.
This type of 'passing off' action makes some lawyers very rich indeed.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
And if the IPO is successful, more and more and more profits...
T & P
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I am no fan of Brewdog but while they can and should be thoroughly criticised for various instances of unacceptable behaviour over the years, I am not sure this is noteworthy. For starters they have been signed against in this respect far more often than be the sinners. And most of us (certainly I at least) love Lidl and Aldi, and find their blatant brand ripoffs amusing rather than reproachable.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It's one thing for them to mock big corporates, but they do have a bit of a track record for going after independent producers iirc.
It's just more of the same from them.
Ofcom reject Brewdog's complaint about the BBC documentary: Ofcom throws out BrewDog complaint over BBC documentary on firm
Here it on the Beeb site: Ofcom rejects Brewdog complaint over BBC documentary
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Had a lovely Sunday roast here.
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hiraethified
Desperate stuff indeed.
capx.co
Punk has died at Brewdog
When punk rock emerged in the 1970s, its adherents courted scorn from the authorities at every opportunity. They certainly weren’t the types to run to teacher at the first sign of trouble. So perhaps BrewDog will soon need to rename its flagship beer, Punk IPA. Over the past two years, the...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I was going with the piece until it spouted this garbage:Desperate stuff indeed.
Punk has died at Brewdog
When punk rock emerged in the 1970s, its adherents courted scorn from the authorities at every opportunity. They certainly weren’t the types to run to teacher at the first sign of trouble. So perhaps BrewDog will soon need to rename its flagship beer, Punk IPA. Over the past two years, the...
and valorised Lydon.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I'm in Rural Herefordshire and a pint of Butty Bach has only just gone over the £4 mark.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Time to boycott Wetherspoons. Wetherspoon staff meal allowance is more than halved
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Boycotted for years, Tory donating Brexit backing furlough troughing and mass sacking
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hiraethified
Are you already boycotting Brewdog for breaking their promises about paying the full the Living Wage and their well documented appalling treatment of staff?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I don't think I've ever been in a Brewdog pub or drunk their beer.
But I'm happy to boycott Wetherspoons.
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hiraethified
Yet you've made over 150 posts here, mainly defending the company!
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I haven't defended them. I've said they're no better and no worse than any other company.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Absolutely. Most of this lot are happy to drink in Spoons because the prices suit them. If Brewdog prices were better they'd be queuing-up for Punk IPA.
They're boycotting Brewdog in the same way that I'm boycotting having an affair with Margot Robbie.
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hiraethified
Except they provably are, unless you can name a similar company whose appalling treatment of staff (and all the other stuff that has been well documented) resulted in a BBC TV documentary?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
So you're defending the mistreatment of staff by companies that haven't had BBC documentaries made about them?
(See, I can do this too!)
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hiraethified
I'm asking for evidence. So what have you got? Anything at all?
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