Spymaster, I'm genuinely quite curious about how you feel about this thread. Were you interested in the subject matter or just on a windup? Any thoughts on how it's all panned out?
BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you're going to drown a vodka in a mixer then you're some sort of barbarian
Peter Painter
Well-Known Member
Well, she likes gin and vodka but why support Brewdog when other gins and vodkas are available at the same or cheaper price?
The beer thing is a little more tricky for me because I do enjoy the taste of several of the Brewdog beers. I'm a convert to the 'hip', American style IPA because I find I like the taste even when the alcohol content is 5% or more (with real English beer I often found that I didn't like the strong ones so much, indeed one of my favourites had a ridiculously low alcohol content; it tasted great but it didn't get you drunk!).
I prefer to not buy Brewdog but if I'm not near an Aldi or a Lidl the only alternatives are more expensive. If I can afford to I'll buy something else, but on occasions I have (and probably will again) buy Brewdog.
My absolute favourite is made by Beavertown Brewery. I hope nobody is going to tell me that they're wankers too!
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
I first found out about the US usage a few years ago from my craft beer loving American pen pal and had to inform him of the slang meaning over here in case he’s talking to other transatlantic pals. I was aware of the “vagina” meaning but not the “ugly woman” one. Every day’s a school day
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
No, they're just owned by Heineken. Who are wankers. (and I can sympathise, I rather like Neck Oil too)
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
The Beavertown ones are ok, and are becoming more widely available,. I have a vague recollection of some Union dispute there though.
We're lucky in Reading to have Double-Barrelled (who are sound and make excellent beer, and during the lockdown would do weekly doorstep pickup and dropoff of my growler filled with freshly brewed beer), Wild Weather, Phantom and others who cater for the new "craft beer" genre (and beyond IPAs with Goses, Sours, Stouts, tablebeers, saisons etc etc etc) and make some stunning beers in a wide range of styles and strength. Sure, they're pricy but I'd rather have one stunning beer than two mediocre ones.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Hi Sue. Well this thread has been around for years and has always been polarised, with both "sides" winding each other up, but it only occasionally gets as fractious as it's become in recent days. This website is largely populated by people with extreme views and always has been. In fact it used to be way worse/better, take your pick. Those with non-far left views are decried as liberals or tories, anyone questioning of gender issues is transphobic, and anyone who doesn't get up in arms about "growler" is a misogynist. There's little middle ground, so those of us who occupy that area (and are prepared to poke our heads above the parapet) get this kind of response every now and again. It goes with the territory! There are many women (mine and Peter's wives included) who really don't hold the opinions of some of those here. There are women HERE who don't hold the opinions of some of the others here! Many of the views held by people on this website are niche ones that I (along with millions of others) don't share, and will say so sometimes. I always have done.
As far as how I think it's panned out; as expected.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
As ever, there’s a context, and Brewdog has previous in the edgelord arena.
If your partner and her mates set up a brewery coop and sell Growler ale or even Fanny Juice, nobody here would mind.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
See? We can agree occasionally.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
turned out niche again
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it'd be easier to agree with you if you didn't flit to the opposing side of almost every debate once you've seen which way i steer
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Peter Painter - and Brewdog are an anti union company with a notorious bullying culture.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Apologies for butting in to your convo, but I couldn't help thinking how reasonable your 'middle ground' position sounded and what a service you perform in countering the 'extreme', 'niche' group-think.
Until I remembered how you described those who perceived misogyny in Brewdog's "Growler" branding...
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Elegantly put.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
...as opposed to his 'middle ground' take on the mysognistic branding which he described as "genius" and "commendable".
C'mon Spymaster . I know we don't share political positions and will disagree on much, but on this one you really did pick a side, that of Brewdog. So, drop the sensible middle-ground schtick, own your views.
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
There's a quote from (a) Marx for everything.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I personally don’t give a fuck about that.
I see. It's interesting to see how you perceive yourself and others. Having different views is fine but sometimes, maybe just sometimes, it would be more productive to listen a bit more to other people's views and take some of their points on board? I mean there's got to be some kind of irony in a middle-aged man dismissing a woman who points out some pretty obvious misogyny and then using his wife's views as some kind of 'A-ha! Not all women have the same views!' get out of jail free card.
A lot of women don't post in here because of the level of debate and the way that debate is conducted. Threads like this illustrate that depressingly well.
As to it panning out as expected -- what about helping threads pan out a bit better in future? Maybe treating people a bit more respectfully would be a start?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well I didn't really. I described the building of a large business on the back of selling crap beer as commendable, and their marketing strategy in general as genius. As to its misogynistic nature, see my response above. What's considered misogynistic here isn't necessarily so by a broader audience, and if it is, people consider it with varying degrees of importance. Again, people pick their positions and fight them. Nothing wrong with that at all but don't expect everyone to agree.
Well again, as above, those sides were picked about 8 years ago. Occasionally other factors will get rolled into the debate/fight, such as political differences, and that's what's happened here. Sorry if you disapprove
Peter Painter
Well-Known Member
I'm glad she's not reading this because that might give her ideas. Reckon she'd find the idea of selling pints of her and her mates' fanny juice quite hilarious!
Yeah. I do my best not to buy any but I do love the taste (and price when it's on special offer). When I do indulge I have the same guilty feeling I get when I eat meat (which I also love the taste of).
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Peter Painter
Well-Known Member
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I wondered who was going to bring that up and was studiously avoiding doing so until Peter did this morning. It's not a get out of jail free card and wasn't used as such (not least because I don't feel in the least bit imprisoned here), but it's an entirely appropriate point to make that the views expressed here aren't globally shared.I generally try to treat people with the respect they afford me. You'll have seen comments of mine here that you'll consider rude or sharp, but they're usually extensions of other beefs, or (partially) tongue-in-cheek. There are plenty of posters on this thread who disagree with me, that I've been perfectly respectful to. Yourself included.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I've missed most of this thread and others have covered most of the salient points but just wanted to say ^this.
weepiper is certainly not being a twat, and neither was EG being "sensitive" (or whatever other shitty term some people seem to want to use).
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Well I didn't really. I described the building of a large business on the back of selling crap beer as commendable, and their marketing strategy in general as genius. As to its misogynistic nature, see my response above. What's considered misogynistic here isn't necessarily so by a broader audience, and if it is, people consider it with varying degrees of importance. Again, people pick their positions and fight them. Nothing wrong with that at all but don't expect everyone to agree.
Well again, as above, those sides were picked about 8 years ago. Occasionally other factors will get rolled into the debate/fight, such as political differences, and that's what's happened here. Sorry if you disapprove
Yeah, which, is one thing. But, to repeat, what drew my ire was:
Which, as yet, has not been apologized for, acknowledged or even considered by you, dessiato, 8ball etc. This kind of thing is having a shit impact on the boards.
Well quite. It's also entirely appropriate to point out that much as you see yourself as 'occupying the middle ground', I don't think that's specially true either. And maybe you're a poor judge of what's misogynistic and what isn't so listening to people who may have a firmer grasp on it would be a reasonable idea? (Before you bring up your wife, a lot of this is about context. So reading this thread may well garner a different response to just saying 'is x misogynistic?')
That may be true but I'm not really interested in 'extensions of other beefs' and it does not help the level of debate. All it means is that people end up in entrenched positions which they or may not really hold and then end up defending them to the death. Not only does it screw up the debate, it's also extremely tedious.
TBH, I think you've mainly ignored the points/posts I've made. I'm not sure that really counts as respectful.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Plus one.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
Any of those names would put me off buying the product. I will admit to having a pretty puerile sense of humour but giving a beer or wine such a name smacks of an attempt to hide a poor quality product behind a “joke” that even 12 year old boys would tire of pretty quickly. Brewdog thinks it’s edgy but it’s a bit like your teacher in the 1980s using the word “Wally” in a piss poor attempt to get down with the kids. (See also the contemporary and equally cringeworthy “cockwomble” that I’ve heard lecturer friends bandy about in search of a laugh - mind you, I’d lay money on that soon being another BD product
)
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
This is how you responded to equationgirl ; you called her...
I generally try to treat people with the respect they afford me. You'll have seen comments of mine here that you'll consider rude or sharp, but they're usually extensions of other beefs, or (partially) tongue-in-cheek. There are plenty of posters on this thread who disagree with me, that I've been perfectly respectful to. Yourself included.
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