BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

[Orang Utan]

Can we all agree that BrewDog are not punks?

I think they might be hippies

 

[Yossarian]

punks

 

[Orang Utan]

Did someone say I was here to amuse you?
And really, haven't you had enough attention already?

You seem to be trying to be funny about something

 

[8ball]

You seem to be trying to be funny about something

No, you seem to be attempting something like that. I really wouldn't bother if I was you.
There's probably a browser plug-in you can get to do it for you.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[Orang Utan]

No, you seem to be attempting something like that. I really wouldn't bother if I was you.
There's probably a browser plug-in you can get to do it for you.

Another gag that only you understand

 

[8ball]

Another gag that only you understand

Things have been moving in that direction for a while, can't deny that.

 

[hitmouse]

Did someone say I was here to amuse you?
And really, haven't you had enough attention already?

I think that if you're not trying to be amusing, but are rather trying to put forward a serious and coherent argument about something or other, then you also don't seem to be doing a terribly good job of that, so maybe give it a break for it?

 

[8ball]

I think that if you're not trying to be amusing, but are rather trying to put forward a serious and coherent argument about something or other, then you also don't seem to be doing a terribly good job of that, so maybe give it a break for it?

Sometimes its almost like there's someone on the other end of the line.
Some things are hard to say in certain contexts, or even impossible to say, and sometimes it's too late to say them anyway.

Yeah, maybe a nice long break. How long, do you reckon?

 

[hitmouse]

Sometimes its almost like there's someone on the other end of the line.
Some things are hard to say in certain contexts, or even impossible to say, and sometimes it's too late to say them anyway.

Yeah, maybe a nice long break. How long, do you reckon?

I dunno, I wasn't suggesting you should leave the forums or anything, just that your posts on this particular thread today didn't seem to be acheiving much? Maybe just give this thread a break till some time next week when people have gone back to discussing the merits of bitter vs IPAs or something?

 

[8ball]

I dunno, I wasn't suggesting you should leave the forums or anything, just that your posts on this particular thread today didn't seem to be acheiving much? Maybe just give this thread a break till some time next week when people have gone back to discussing the merits of bitter vs IPAs or something?

Full disclosure: I've been mostly drinking lager and wine recently.

Spoiler: waffle

I wasn't really expecting to achieve anything. Initially the thread was kind of about Brewdog for me, then it became interesting seeing how people were using Brewdog (which comes with an interesting set of conflicting values) as a prism to filter ideas about themselves and other people, as well as their defenses against recognising the process and the need it was satisfying.

Then it intensified a bit just now and it became grimly interesting just watching the group forces play out. Mostly with a mounting sense of despair. Scripts talking to scripts. Scripts talking past scripts. Swapping little packets of dopamine. Round and round and round. Keep repping, keep farming. Keep re-gurgitating fleas and depositing them in each other's fur.


It starts to get to me every once in a while and I'll back out for a few months.

 

[equationgirl]

8ball I do not know what is going on with you but you're being seriously annoying and disruptive.

And yeah, this is all about the attention for me. Not.

 

[8ball]

8ball I do not know what is going on with you but you're being seriously annoying and disruptive.

And yeah, this is all about the attention for me. Not.

That couldn't have been more perfect.

 

[equationgirl]

That couldn't have been more perfect.

Are you sure you're not a Spymaster sockpuppet?

 

[Spymaster]

Are you sure you're not a Spymaster sockpuppet?

The fact that he's brighter than you, doesn't necessarily mean that he's me

 

[Orang Utan]

Something is rotten here, I have to say. We've got long term posters who I know are not racist posting racist memes. We've got long term posters here who recently only seem to be here to upset people. and we've got long term posters refusing to acknowledge their own ignorance.
It's as if there's a global pandemic that brings out the worst in us all.
'Calm down lads, we've all had a pandemic!"

 

[8ball]

Something is rotten here, I have to say. We've got long term posters who I know are not racist posting racist memes. We've got long term posters here who recently only seem to be here to upset people. and we've got long term posters refusing to acknowledge their own ignorance.
It's as if there's a global pandemic that brings out the worst in us all.
'Calm down lads, we've all had a pandemic!"

But we've always had two out of those three things, and two of them were you a lot of the time.

Who's been at the racist memes?

 

[Orang Utan]

But we've always had two out of those three things, and two of them were you a lot of the time.

Who's been at the racist memes?

It’s never been me doing any of those things
Have a look at the bandwidth thread

 

[8ball]

Well, I really can't be arsed digging up examples this late in the game.
Possibly just rushing to re-post in the other case.

 

[NoXion]

I guess the bottom line is that Brewdog have managed to get 118 pages of free advertising on a site that doesn't do advertising.

So more fool us.

The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is that any discussion of any company is "free advertising". Which would naturally lead to complete paralysis, since you can't criticise or organise against a company without mentioning it. So union organisers should just shut up, right?

No. It's garbage reasoning that leads to absurd conclusions, because the premise is flawed. I'm sure the scumbags in the advertising industry would love to have people believe that, since the only recourse for critics would be silence. But that doesn't make it so.

 

[8ball]

V. true.

Time for a little break for me.
Everyone have fun and stay safe.

 

[Peter Painter]

I've been reading the recent pages of this thread and have been inclined to agree with the posters who have been denouncing the 'Growler Club' flagons as mysognistic. I was certainly aware of the slang usage to mean vagina (though was unaware of the ugly woman meaning) but didn't realise that it was a US word for flagon. When I realised it was I immediately thought that must be Brewdog's defence if they were ever accused of sexism/mysogyny (in a similar manner to how the Sex Pistols won their obscenity court case). I'm pretty sure they called it that because of the vagina meaning, but it would be very difficult to prove.

I wasn't sure that I thought it was very offensive but I am a man. Once female posters started saying they felt it offensive I thought it best to take their word for it. Why use or defend Brewdog's use of a word that some people find offensive?

But then I spoke to my misses (who I think is definitely a liberated and independent woman) about this and her response was very different. She told me that although some women might find it offensive, there are other women (including herself) who enjoy, "filthy Viz-style humour" (her words), and the world would be a poorer place without it. She then reeled off several slang terms for vagina (at least one of which I'd not heard before!).

I asked her what about those women who feel it is offensive. She paused and then said that although she could imagine contexts in which the use of 'growler' would definitely be offensive, in the case of the Brewdog flagon (especially considering the double-meaning) it really wasn't that big a deal. And that she'd be disappointed if they were forced to change the name because of claims of mysogyny.

It's all left me rather confused as to what I actually think about it. I don't want to offend women by using sexist/mysognistic terms. But what about the women who don't want "Viz-style humour" to be cancelled?

 

[chilango]

I think there's a couple of issues that have provoked ire on this thread, and neither of them centre on "Viz style humour being cancelled".

The first was the denial and dismissal of misogyny when it was raised. That the woman pointing it out was imagining it or inventing misogyny when it wasn't. This reaction in itself was a strong example of the drip drip drip everyday sexism that female posters have pointed out. Again. And again.

Then when it became clear beyond doubt that the branding was misogynistic, the same posters (instead of holding their hands up and apologising for their first reaction) doubled-down and instead started celebrating the misogynism as "commendable" and as a "genius marketing program". One of these posters is a shareholder in the company who feels no discomfort in this strategy.

The water is further muddied because it remains unclear how much of this stance is genuine, how much is a wind up and how much is a vehicle to get sly digs in over ongoing personal beefs.

It's been a pretty unpleasant look for those posters regardless imo.

None of this adds up to Finbarr Saunders getting no platformed though.

 

[Spymaster]

I think there's a couple of issues that have provoked ire on this thread, and neither of them centre on "Viz style humour being cancelled".

The first was the denial and dismissal of misogyny when it was raised. That the woman pointing it out was imagining it or inventing misogyny when it wasn't. This reaction in itself was a strong example of the drip drip drip everyday sexism that female posters have pointed out. Again. And again.

Then when it became clear beyond doubt that the branding was misogynistic, the same posters (instead of holding their hands up and apologising for their first reaction) doubled-down and instead started celebrating the misogynism as "commendable" and as a "genius marketing program". One of these posters is a shareholder in the company who feels no discomfort in this strategy.

The water is further muddied because it remains unclear how much of this stance is genuine, how much is a wind up and how much is a vehicle to get sly digs in over ongoing personal beefs.

It's been a pretty unpleasant look for those posters regardless imo.

None of this adds up to Finbarr Saunders getting no platformed though.

Ffs. People disagree with you. Get over it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've been reading the recent pages of this thread and have been inclined to agree with the posters who have been denouncing the 'Growler Club' flagons as mysognistic. I was certainly aware of the slang usage to mean vagina (though was unaware of the ugly woman meaning) but didn't realise that it was a US word for flagon. When I realised it was I immediately thought that must be Brewdog's defence if they were ever accused of sexism/mysogyny (in a similar manner to how the Sex Pistols won their obscenity court case). I'm pretty sure they called it that because of the vagina meaning, but it would be very difficult to prove.

I wasn't sure that I thought it was very offensive but I am a man. Once female posters started saying they felt it offensive I thought it best to take their word for it. Why use or defend Brewdog's use of a word that some people find offensive?

But then I spoke to my misses (who I think is definitely a liberated and independent woman) about this and her response was very different. She told me that although some women might find it offensive, there are other women (including herself) who enjoy, "filthy Viz-style humour" (her words), and the world would be a poorer place without it. She then reeled off several slang terms for vagina (at least one of which I'd not heard before!).

I asked her what about those women who feel it is offensive. She paused and then said that although she could imagine contexts in which the use of 'growler' would definitely be offensive, in the case of the Brewdog flagon (especially considering the double-meaning) it really wasn't that big a deal. And that she'd be disappointed if they were forced to change the name because of claims of mysogyny.

It's all left me rather confused as to what I actually think about it. I don't want to offend women by using sexist/mysognistic terms. But what about the women who don't want "Viz-style humour" to be cancelled?

serve your partner several of brewdog's offerings and see what she feels then

 

[Peter Painter]

I think there's a couple of issues that have provoked ire on this thread, and neither of them centre on "Viz style humour being cancelled".

The first was the denial and dismissal of misogyny when it was raised. That the woman pointing it out was imagining it or inventing misogyny when it wasn't. This reaction in itself was a strong example of the drip drip drip everyday sexism that female posters have pointed out. Again. And again.

Then when it became clear beyond doubt that the branding was misogynistic, the same posters (instead of holding their hands up and apologising for their first reaction) doubled-down and instead started celebrating the misogynism as "commendable" and as a "genius marketing program". One of these posters is a shareholder in the company who feels no discomfort in this strategy.

The water is further muddied because it remains unclear how much of this stance is genuine, how much is a wind up and how much is a vehicle to get sly digs in over ongoing personal beefs.

It's been a pretty unpleasant look for those posters regardless imo.

None of this adds up to Finbarr Saunders getting no platformed though.

Yeah, fair enough with regards to this thread. I agree with you.

My misses hasn't read the thread. Me and her were simply discussing Brewdog's use of the word "growler' (albeit a discussion that arose because I'd been reading the thread).

I'm not interested in personal beefs between posters, what interested me was whether or not "growler" is offensive, and if it is, how offensive? Is it mysognistic or not?

Clearly, some women find it offensive but others find it amusing.

 

[Peter Painter]

serve your partner several of brewdog's offerings and see what she feels then

She doesn't like beer. But when she's pissed she has a filthy tongue!

Or had that also flown over my head?!

 

[Spymaster]

She doesn't like beer.

They do a gin called Lone Wolf, which is actually very good indeed, and sold in quite a few non-BD pubs and bars. Also a vodka (Rogue Wave) which I haven't tried but vodka's vodka if you're going to mix it.

 

[Pickman's model]

They do a gin called Lone Wolf, which is actually very good indeed, and sold in quite a few non-BD pubs and bars. Also a vodka (Rogue Wave) which I haven't tried but vodka's vodka if you're going to mix it.

oh dear me no, might as well say gin's gin if you're going to mix it. all i can say is your tastebuds must have been damaged by that rotgut you drink if you think vodka's vodka if you're going to mix it

 

[Spymaster]

oh dear me no, might as well say gin's gin if you're going to mix it.

Gin is most often mixed with tonic which does/can/should compliment the taste of the booze, but if you're going to drown a vodka in coke or lemonade it doesn't much matter what you use.