Oh yes, that makes it all fine, then.
). I'm just not sure what you gain from posting like this is worth the cost to others. But that's for you to consider, or not.
True enough; that's why I like posting here...there's a majority of well-informed, well-intentioned folk who post in good faith on topics...so much to gain.
Clearly...but it is making multiple threads unpleasant and driving long-term posters away. It also makes you look like a bit of a wanker (which I'm assured isn't actually the case
Well the general nastiness on this thread has certainly made me wonder why I'm posting in here. Not all down to you but you're certainly quite a big part of it. That's why I've been posting today -- reflecting on how we all act in here is the only way we're going to improve things.
This, so much this, same here
anyone up north will have more scraps than you, they're free from the chippy (or a pound from m&s in london)
That's the nature of the boards though.
Do other posters refer to the "broad church of the posters on this thread" as silly, a beef-witted series offence taker, brainless and bonkers?
Spymaster, this is what children say -- 'It wasn't me, it was him! He's worse than me! He did it first!' Can you at least own your part in this and maybe acknowledge that you could do better? Possibly even admit that you've overstepped quite badly in a few places? And try and get away from the personal stuff and focus on the issues being discussed?
i'll say one thing for Spymaster, he hasn't posted on the terf trans threads. there's some really vicious bile posted on those from the likes of co-op, really vile, which makes the worst of spymaster's arguments look like a storm in a teacup. and it's threads like those that have seen so many posters leave, from people like frogwoman who've fortunately returned to loads who basically were done with this site from those shitfests. not all of them were regular p&pers, people like CRI were driven away on those threads. now, spymaster is forthright and loud and i suppose can be seen as aggressive. but while in my first urban incarnation i thought he was a very nasty piece of work - cunty si - i saw in my second (and continuing) urban incarnation that he's almost always on a wind up. don't get sucked in and watch how it goes, true popcorn moments many of them.
two things - this is a thread about brewdog so this sort of whataboutery doesn't bolster your case, and second, it's not all about you, sometimes what other people feel trumps your feelings. yeh in the general scheme of things - and if it was the only thing brewdog do that was objectionable it would be trivial and it would be swiftly put right by any responsible company. but as this thread documents, brewdog are wrong uns on so many levels, from the overhopped nature of their beer to their appropriation of a radical tradition to their casual sexism. there's a pattern of behaviour from the company of which yes this is but one example and perhaps not their most egregious but nonetheless it's something which ought to be taken seriously and not joked about as some finbarr saunders thing.
You think this is okay or is this one of those cases where you let personal beef get in the way of the discussion?
Coming from you I'll take careful note of what you say...but...there are times when wind-up merchants (who are, by definition, looking to entertain themselves) impact on the willingness of others to contribute and help others with viewpoints. Calling other posters names in order to close down their input requires challenge.
Yeah the car one is an obvious example. Easy to ignore a single thread here and there if stuff stays there, but it doesn't.I think the threads you're referring to are this one and the car one in transport which is a pure troll and was set up as such. No idea about the transphobia as I now put all trans threads on immediate ignore.
The scrap on this thread has been a pile-on (not complaining at all) that has attracted posters who had never posted on it before at all.
I hope you don't stop posting.
). I don't expect apologies or agreement, but I would hope that you, and others, and me, can reflect a little on this stuff.
I’d add to this that I genuinely like dessiato and particularly enjoying reading of his ongoing struggle with personal safety. I’m sorry to hear of his health struggles, and wish him all the best. But it was his dismissal of the views of women here, and the manner of that dismissal, that I didn’t think should go without challenge.Clearly...but it is making multiple threads unpleasant and driving long-term posters away. It also makes you look like a bit of a wanker (which I'm assured isn't actually the case
On a personal level I would have tended to agree. I have, and use, a growler and refer to it as such.
I think BrewDog's use of it is shitty though and would not dismiss those who find it more problematic. Posters have eloquently described how these "rather trivial" things mount up as part of the drip effect of everyday sexism. I'm inclined to listen to them rather than dismiss them on this.
Name me a corporate, any corporate, and I'll happily denounce them. As would many of the contributors on this thread.
This absolutely. As I said, lots of women don't venture in here (or if they do, they often won't post) because of the level of debate and the way it's conducted. Now maybe some folk don't really care about that. but I think that's pretty shameful tbh.
