BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

[chilango]

And Loddon Brewery! We also have the very good Rebellion brewery out in Marlow and West Berkshire Brewery over near Newbury. Sadly, West Berks also have a record of being shits to their staff so they can fuck off. Shame though as their Rengade lager and Good Old Boy bitter are lovely.

..and Binghams (Space Hopper ) and Siren and Dolphin in Woodley... Its a golden age of beer in Reading.

 

[Storm Fox]

There seems to be a lot a whataboutism coming from spymaster. Whatabout Orang Utan he's nasty; whatabout other companies they are shit too.
This thread is discussing brewdog company that is

• sexist An Open Letter to BrewDog, Punks With Purpose
• able-ist Former BrewDog worker wins eyesight payout after losing job
• anti-union as shown in earlier posts in this thread.

So without playing 'whatabout' do you agree with the sexist, able-ist views of brewdog, the company being discussed here? And that calling someone, who you don't know a "as silly, a beef-witted series offence taker, brainless and bonkers?" is bullying?

 

[Pickman's model]

There seems to be a lot a whataboutism coming from spymaster. Whatabout Orang Utan he's nasty; whatabout other companies they are shit too.
This thread is discussing brewdog company that is

• sexist An Open Letter to BrewDog, Punks With Purpose
• able-ist Former BrewDog worker wins eyesight payout after losing job
• anti-union as shown in earlier posts in this thread.

So without playing 'whatabout' do you agree with the sexist, able-ist views of brewdog, the company being discussed here? And that calling someone, who you don't know a "as silly, a beef-witted series offence taker, brainless and bonkers?" is bullying?

perhaps you should tag Spymaster

 

[Spymaster]

true... or you could just put Spymaster on ignore like I did within days of looking on this forum

I've no idea who you are, but I salute you, sir!

 

[Sue]

I don't know about "ok", it's just the way forums work.

No, it's the way this forum is working at the moment and what multiple posters are saying they don't like. It doesn't have to work like this.

And if you're not sure that what you said was 'okay', do something about it.

 

[Spymaster]

So without playing 'whatabout' do you agree with the sexist, able-ist views of brewdog, the company being discussed here? And that calling someone, who you don't know a "as silly, a beef-witted series offence taker, brainless and bonkers?" is bullying?

I assume you're asking me.

"Whataboutery" is a cliché on these boards used by people who are struggling in an argument to deflect legitimate charges of hypocrisy, so I reject that.

As far as the sexist nature of their marketing is concerned I think they've likely overstepped a few times. "Pink beer for girls" springs immediately to mind, but I understand the marketing and it's been highly successful. "Growler" doesn't bother me at all.

The 'beef witted offence takers' to Broggers and others was probably a trifle OTT.

 

[Spymaster]

No, it's the way this forum is working at the moment and what multiple posters are saying they don't like. It doesn't have to work like this.

It's always worked like that, Sue.

Some posters are allies of others while some can't stand each other. That informs the way they post.

That'll never change.

 

[Sue]

The 'beef witted offence takers' to Broggers and others was probably a trifle OTT.

Almost there! Now it wasn't aimed primarily at brogdale, was it? Now might be a great time to say this (maybe even a 'sorry' if we're getting completely carried away ) to the person it primarily was aimed at.

 

[Sue]

It's always worked like that, Sue.

Some posters are allies of others while some can't stand each other. That informs the way they post.

That'll never change.

Well quite a few people seem to feel it's not always worked exactly as it is now. And they certainly aren't liking how it is now. And you know we can all always aspire to do better and be better!

 

[chilango]

It's always worked like that, Sue.

Some posters are allies of others while some can't stand each other. That informs the way they post.

That'll never change.

Until it does. Some things stay the same only by changing.

We can never post in the same thread twice. Because it's not the same thread, and we're not the same poster.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

"Growler" doesn't bother me at all.

therefore (you seem to be saying) it shouldn't bother anyone else, especially women, and you have the right to tell them they are wrong and throw insults at them if it does bother them?

hmm.

 

[Spymaster]

Almost there! Now it wasn't aimed primarily at brogdale, was it? Now might be a great time to say this (maybe even a 'sorry' if we're getting completely carried away ) to the person it primarily was aimed at.

It was actually primarily to Broggers (I think I even quoted him") but you're suggesting it was aimed at equationgirl which it partially was, so in her case only I'll retract the "beef witted" bit.

 

[Spymaster]

therefore (you seem to be saying) it shouldn't bother anyone else, especially women, and you have the right to tell them they are wrong and throw insults at them if it does bother them?

Nope. I'm saying I don't share their concern, am aware that many others don't either, and have no time for that particular part of their position on the subject. The fight ensued from there.

 

[belboid]

It's always worked like that, Sue.

Some posters are allies of others while some can't stand each other. That informs the way they post.

That'll never change.

Put your massive ego away, learn to say ‘sorry’ and to stfu, you prat.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

What the hell are shareholders and marketing cunts doing on this board anyway?

It's kind of difficult to avoid. If you have any kind of pension the funds are likely being invested in such a way. Which means you're doing it by proxy if not directly.

 

[Edie]

i'll say one thing for Spymaster, he hasn't posted on the terf trans threads. there's some really vicious bile posted on those from the likes of co-op, really vile, which makes the worst of spymaster's arguments look like a storm in a teacup. and it's threads like those that have seen so many posters leave, from people like frogwoman who've fortunately returned to loads who basically were done with this site from those shitfests. not all of them were regular p&pers, people like CRI were driven away on those threads. now, spymaster is forthright and loud and i suppose can be seen as aggressive. but while in my first urban incarnation i thought he was a very nasty piece of work - cunty si - i saw in my second (and continuing) urban incarnation that he's almost always on a wind up. don't get sucked in and watch how it goes, true popcorn moments many of them.

That issue is very emotive. It’s a very difficult issue.

There are threads which there’s hustle and bustle on, and almost stereotyped or comedy positions about like cars or cycling. Then there’s threads like this, where a serious issue (everyday sexism) gets thrown up, which should see a shift to more reflective posting. And then there’s threads like the Terf one where there are fundamental clashes in ideology, and the safety and rights of more vulnerable people in society (trans women, and natal women esp those who are subject to a deprivation of liberty).

Divisions in the first and to some extent the second kind of thread can be tolerated as a community. The third kind have been very destructive, and I’ve accepted I just cannot discuss them on here.

 

[Spymaster]

Put your massive ego away, learn to say ‘sorry’ and to stfu, you prat.

Get in the sea.

(No idea what that means but apparently it's a goodun).

 

[Sue]

It was actually primarily to Broggers (I think I even quoted him") but you're suggesting it was aimed at equationgirl which it partially was, so in her case only I'll retract the "beef witted" bit.

So just to be clear that I've understood. You said:

silly, a beef-witted series offence taker, brainless and bonkers

and you're apologising for retracting 'beef-witted' for equationgirl which leaves her as:

silly, a series offence taker, brainless and bonkers

Is that right?

And is this really the best you can do?

(And I am on your case here because if you genuinely think you did something that wasn't okay, weaselling about and trying to make something into a joke which really isn't a joke is...well worse than pointless.)

 

[Orang Utan]

It can most certainly get nasty, but it's very much a two way street. One of the nastiest posters on here is actually Orang Utan (see his silly passive aggressive pics on here and his frequent pissed-up bullying of dessiato ), but he gets a pass because he toes the majority line. I have political differences with many here which frequently put me in people's sights for a bunfight. That's probably shaped my posting style and I can't do much about that. And there are plenty of other posters here who have more scraps than me!

You’ve made all that up.

 

[Spymaster]

(And I am on your case here because if you genuinely think you did something that wasn't okay ...

To be honest I don't, or at least I don't really care about the offence caused. I was just chucking you, personally, an olive branch. People are called far worse than that on here all the time. If I had a quid for every similar insult thrown at me, I could buy fucking Brewdog.

You're badgering me for an apology that won't be sincere. Is that what you want?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Get in the sea.

(No idea what that means but apparently it's a goodun).

dessiato chooses to take offense at that.

 

[Pickman's model]

dessiato chooses to take offense at that.

it doesn't mean what orang utan thought it meant

 

[Storm Fox]

I assume you're asking me.

"Whataboutery" is a cliché on these boards used to deflect charges of hypocrisy, so I reject that.

As far as the sexist nature of their marketing is concerned I think they've likely overstepped a few times. "Pink beer for girls" springs immediately to mind, but I understand the marketing and it's been highly successful. "Growler" doesn't bother me at all.

The 'beef witted offence takers' to Broggers and others was probably a trifle OTT.

This shouldn't need saying, but people get offended by different things. Just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean it generally isn't and Growler is, in the UK known as a slang for vagina.

Women working in the bars, who are going to have deal with drunk sexist men anyway, probably don't need another excuse given to men to be sexist to them.
<Sexist / offensive comment related to growler play on words to female barstaff>* and cue adolescent snickering.

*I originally wrote what I thought would be a typical sexist comment and thought better of it as it made me feel uneasy. I can't image having to put up with that shit day in day out and Brewdog has made it worse.

 

[Sue]

To be honest I don't, or at least I don't really care about the offence caused. I was just chucking you, personally, an olive branch. People are called far worse than that on here all the time. If I had a quid for every similar insult thrown at me, I could buy fucking Brewdog.

You're badgering me for an apology that won't be sincere. Is that what you want?

Okay, it's pretty clear that you don't get (or care, not sure which) about the nasty atmosphere you're helping create. I think that's a real shame but I guess pretty soon there'll just be you and a few other like-minded individuals in here posting whatever so maybe it's time to leave you to it. FWIW, I always thought you were an okay guy and often thought people were unduly harsh on you. This thread had kind of changed my mind on that.

On a related note, sometimes admitting you're wrong and apologising is a sign of strength. Maybe something to keep in mind.

 

[Orang Utan]

Okay, it's pretty clear that you don't get (or care, not sure which) about the nasty atmosphere you're helping create. I think that's a real shame but I guess pretty soon there'll just be you and a few other like-minded individuals in here posting whatever so maybe it's time to leave you to it. FWIW, I always thought you were an okay guy and often thought people were unduly harsh on you. This thread had kind of changed my mind on that.

I thought the same until that cycling thread and his brutal treatment of people who are sincere about their beliefs. Now I realise he enjoys upsetting people and I don’t think that should be tolerated. I would like to be able to post here unguardedly and don’t feel I can any more. You can’t even have a sensible discussion about environment issues, transport issues, vegetarianism, without certain posters either just plain trolling with silly nonsense or, alternatively, disingenuously forensic and hostile posts that sidetrack the issue cos one poster has misused a word only for Pickman's model to leap on and cling onto like a Jack Russell until another thread is ruined. I’m so tired of it.

 

[Pickman's model]

You can’t even have a sensible discussion about environment issues, transport issues, vegetarianism, without certain posters either just plain trolling with silly nonsense or, alternatively, disingenuously forensic and hostile posts that sidetrack the issue cos one poster has misused a word only for Pickman's model to leap on and cling onto like a Jack Russell until another thread is ruined. I’m so tired of it.

this post ^ seems to me the classic definition of a cross-thread beef. but i'll bite, let's have a link to this thread where word was misused, or a name or something, you can pm it to me to avoid intruding your cross-thread beef further on this car crash of a thread. i reckon it's another of your lies, and i await your pm with interest

e2a (an hour later): disappointed not to be shown the evidence after orang utan went to such trouble to provoke a response.

 

[chilango]

Don't do this.

 

[Spymaster]

I thought the same until that cycling thread and his brutal treatment of people who are sincere about their beliefs.

What a load of bollocks. That's ONE thread (it's a car thread, not a cycling thread) where the gloves are off for all posters and has become a free for all. There's nothing informative about it, never was, and was never intended to be. It's just a Teuchter-bait punch-up!

Stick it on ignore like 99% of other posters.

 

[danny la rouge]

Ah well, another thread on ignore.

 

[editor]

Ah well, another thread on ignore.

I hope not because that will be showing that bullies prosper.

Amongst all the cross-thread crap and misogyny, there has been some useful discussion about Brewdog's unpleasant practices and it's not right that people should be shouted down for expressing such valid concerns.