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BrewDog: yet another hip company using 'rebel' language to sell its stuff

dessiato said:
Shall we start with this, which was posted on this thread earlier

Brewdog: Bosses say management issues are in the past Brewdog: Bosses say management issues are in the past
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Are you serious? You're believing a press release from the management - which has not changed one person by the way - which was so bad and engendered such a culture of bullying that hundreds of past and present employers complained publicly about it in an open letter?

Tell me what they've changed specifically, to change the management and the culture.

Because they've made it clear it's the employees' fault for 'not understanding the high performance environment'.

Because they've blocked all attempts by Unite the Union to engage in meaningful talks.

Because they've been taken to tribunal for disability discrimination, and lost.
 
equationgirl said:
Um, no, it wasn't a weird decision. They point blank refused to make very basic reasonable adjustments that did not very much money, and were found to have discriminated against the employee. What's weird about it, exactly?
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They didn't refuse to make changes. As I recall the complainant was a guy who worked on a production line who lost his eyesight (not work related). BD got occupational health people in to suggest changes that were not accepted, and also offered the guy other jobs in the firm.

Have you read the case?
 
Spymaster said:
They didn't refuse to make changes. As I recall the complainant was a guy who worked on a production line who lost his eyesight (not work related). BD got occupational health people in to suggest changes that were not accepted, and also offered the guy other jobs in the firm.

Have you read the case?
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Reasonable adjustments don't only apply to disabilities that result from work. I suggest you back and read the posts about the case earlier in the thread.
 
equationgirl said:
Reasonable adjustments don't only apply to disabilities that result from work. I suggest you back and read the posts about the case earlier in the thread.
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Of course not. I suggest you do the same since you don't seem to remember losing this argument the last time we had it.

Yes, they were found against, and yes, they could have done better, but it was not as straightforward as you make out, as evidenced by the decision being split.
 
Spymaster said:
Of course not. I suggest you do the same since you don't seem to remember losing this argument the last time we had it.

Yes, they were found against, and yes, they could have done better, but it was not as straightforward as you make out, as evidenced by the decision being split.
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I didn't lose the argument last time. You're just deluding yourself because your ego won't allow you to accept a woman knows better than you with your edgelord ways.
 
equationgirl said:
I didn't lose the argument last time. You're just deluding yourself because your ego won't allow you to accept a woman knows better than you with your edgelord ways.
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<coughs>

Actually ignore me - that card comes with a 10 page cooldown period but you're good to go again. Seems like barely minutes ago.
 
Spymaster said:
Of course not. I suggest you do the same since you don't seem to remember losing this argument the last time we had it.

Yes, they were found against, and yes, they could have done better, but it was not as straightforward as you make out, as evidenced by the decision being split.
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Your memory is seriously faulty, all you seem to recall is the managerial response. They were found guilty and fined substantially with the judges making various strongly condemnatory comments.

Judge Hosie added that Brewdog “should feel more than discomfort at the lack of awareness evidenced of their legal obligations to consider reasonable adjustments for an employee they recognised as disabled”.

Brewdog to payout £12,000 after sacking worker who faced turning blind
 

belboid said:
Your memory is seriously faulty, all you seem to recall is the managerial response. They were found guilty and fined substantially with the judges making various strongly condemnatory comments.

Judge Hosie added that Brewdog “should feel more than discomfort at the lack of awareness evidenced of their legal obligations to consider reasonable adjustments for an employee they recognised as disabled”.

Brewdog to payout £12,000 after sacking worker who faced turning blind
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Of course they were found against. Nobody is denying that. But the case wasn't as cut and dried as the newspaper report makes out. Again, there were 3 judges on the tribunal and the decision was 2-1, so there was an element of doubt.
 
Spymaster said:
Of course they were found against. Nobody is denying that. But the case wasn't as cut and dried as the newspaper report makes out. Again, there were 3 judges on the tribunal and the decision was 2-1, so there was an element of doubt.
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They were utterly slated and the single dissenting judge made no remarks (despite being entitled to). They were ignorant of the law and used incompetent staff.

It’s a bit rich, to say the least, to claim both that they were rightly found guilty, but that they might not have been, so that’s okay.
 
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