Boris Johnson tests positive for Covid-19

[The39thStep]

To recap it was the basis of their initial reaction though they shat their pants on that one once the scale of deaths became inescapable, but that initial reaction betrayed their instincts. They've basically fallen in line since: the remaining failures of keeping building sites open, not letting out enough prisoners etc etc, is less eugenics and more other core aspects of Tory ideology.

That said the virus is killing the poorest more than it is the richest. A socialist government would look to where the need is greatest and concentrate its support there. A capitalist government supports capital first. <Eugenics underpins that outlook too. It is displayed in that quote above from the Telegraph about how Johnson thinks illness is for the weak. Its displayed in pushing people off benefits and into the grave. It runs through everything they do like lettering in a stick of rock.

Ok, just so I get this right. The Tories initially embarked on a eugenicist based coronoviras strategy but realised that the scale of death would be too high, watered the eugenics down but have pursued a strategy based on traditional Tory ideology which still is informed by eugenics but to a lesser degree?

 

[ddraig]

Yeah!
Remember!!

 

[hipipol]

"He has not been diagnosed as having Pneumonia" - curious logic from these "people" at No 10 - if we dont bother testing/diagnose it doesnt exist" Survival rates from his position is prob 50% at best, merely delaying diagnoses, as is ignoring the virus, solves fuck all. Its a tale from BJs favourite time period, probably with script by Euripides, the Hubris, the Madness, the Fall. Read it in college, it was dully predictable then, as is this repetition now. Bye, bye Bojo!!!!!

 

[hipipol]

Yeah!
Remember!!

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She has more words in her name than she can logically connect into a coherent sentence in her head

 

[ska invita]

Ok, just so I get this right. The Tories initially embarked on a eugenicist based coronoviras strategy but realised that the scale of death would be too high, watered the eugenics down but have pursued a strategy based on traditional Tory ideology which still is informed by eugenics but to a lesser degree?

rather than picking apart my posts why dont you say what you want to say

 

[Sasaferrato]

from the telegraph .. apart from maybe helping explain why he might have had to get seriously sick before getting hospitalised its totally unsurprising in describing an ideological / moralising attitude towards feckless lesser 'weaklings' who get ill.


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I think that that attitude is a pathology tbh, I've worked with and for, a number of people over the years who had the same view.

 

[The39thStep]

rather than picking apart my posts why dont you say what you want to say

I'm trying to summarise your posts so that I fully understand what you are trying to say

 

[Kaka Tim]

A good point upthread about how the countries leader being struck down by the virus will shake people - both in terms of "if he can die of it - anyone can" and how it intensifies the sense of crisis.
I am certainly more aware of the risk - im now working as a delivery driver for sainsburys and im exposed to a lot of people every day - social distancing is patchy as well. My partner is a nurse in a care home.
Although I can grimly smile at the irony of that feckless fucker being hoisted by his own petard - i am not enjoying the thought of him fighting for his life - its all just adding to the sense of bleak despair and foreboding.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

"He has not been diagnosed as having Pneumonia" - curious logic from these "people" at No 10 - if we dont bother testing/diagnose it doesnt exist" Survival rates from his position is prob 50% at best, merely delaying diagnoses, as is ignoring the virus, solves fuck all. Its a tale from BJs favourite time period, probably with script by Euripides, the Hubris, the Madness, the Fall. Read it in college, it was dully predictable then, as is this repetition now. Bye, bye Bojo!!!!!

He's not on a ventilator yet. In fact, it appears to be something of a mystery as to exactly why he is still in intensive care if, as is claimed, 'He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and is breathing without any other assistance.' It would appear that either they are lying or he is receiving preferential treatment. Both are entirely plausible.

ETA: Just to add to that, regarding his survival odds, looking at the Swiss stats, around a quarter of people who have gone to hospital in Switzerland have ended up in ICU, and nearly all of those have ended up on ventilators. Once you're properly in ICU, ie unable to breathe for yourself, that's when the grim 50:50 odds kick in. If they are telling the truth about his current condition, his odds are a fair bit better than that at this moment.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

According to the bbc he’s only on oxygen. So why is he taking up a space in intensive care?!?

(now I feel I can be mean about him again)

 

[maomao]

i am not enjoying the thought of him fighting for his life

It's good writing but I'm not enjoying cliffhangers with weekly installments. Need to get the box set.

Not sure why everyone's worried he'll become some sort of saint if he dies. It'll be twice as bad if he actually makes it back as Prime minister. Battling Boris Back from the Brink on the front page of the Sun. Confirmation for some that the NHS is in great shape if it can save his life. A real danger of him achieving some sort of hero status and becoming twice as dangerous as he already was. If he pops his clogs the saint status will always be tainted with the shaking hands herd immunity bollocks and he'll go down in history as the reckless feckless idiot he is.

 

[killer b]

I'm not sure that Hesletine is correct about the position of PM and 'deputising' - the PM is who the largest number of MP's says it is, it's not something that's in the gift of one person to transfer to another.

There are two principles here that both sit next to each other and slightly grind against each other - the PM can delegate authority, while cabinet and the HoC agree to it (whether explicitly or implicitly), but IMV this becomes less and less tenable the longer it goes on, as it starts to bump up against that first principle.

Yeah, the only thing that matters is who has the most tory MPs in their camp - which as long as he's likely to recover will be Raab. All bets off beyond that though.

 

[hipipol]

He's not on a ventilator yet. In fact, it appears to be something of a mystery as to exactly why he is still in intensive care if, as is claimed, 'He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and is breathing without any other assistance.' It would appear that either they are lying or he is receiving preferential treatment. Both are entirely plausible.

ETA: Just to add to that, regarding his survival odds, looking at the Swiss stats, around a quarter of people who have gone to hospital in Switzerland have ended up in ICU, and nearly all of those have ended up on ventilators. Once you're properly in ICU, ie unable to breathe for yourself, that's when the grim 50:50 odds kick in. If they are telling the truth about his current condition, his odds are a fair bit better than that at this moment.

'He is receiving standard oxygen treatment" - most likely CPAP , not just standard oxy tank with tube to face mask - CPAP removes the need for sedation - good results from China using it, delays the need for full intubation, if they have to tube him up in the next 2 days or so I am a big buyer of his likely demise a week later

 

[littlebabyjesus]

'He is receiving standard oxygen treatment" - most likely CPAP , not just standard oxy tank with tube to face mask - CPAP removes the need for sedation - good results from China using it, delays the need for full intubation, if they have to tube him up in the next 2 days or so I am a big buyer of his likely demise a week later

Well yes, once you get to that stage, he's at best 50:50. He's a man as well, which is bad for his odds. Once you're being ventilated, your odds get worse for every day you remain on it, hence the awful decisions doctors are having to make around the world about taking people who are still very much alive off it.

 

[Raheem]

Sturgeon: We are all willing you on, Boris.

Ambiguous.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Sturgeon: We are all willing you on, Boris.

Ambiguous.

In a "Go to the light" kinda way?

 

[Ax^]

Boris bed blocking a dedicated ICU bed and the best machines and Dr in the country

what a fucking hero

 

[brogdale]

In a "Go to the light" kinda way?

...of the fires.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Boris bed blocking a dedicated ICU bed and the best machines and Dr in the country

what a fucking hero

tbf, and I'm not sure why I'm being fair, he's probably not much in control of any of it at the moment. Probably concentrating on breathing, and being rather scared, too, I would think, of what comes next. If he is getting preferential treatment that will be at the insistence of others.

 

[chainsawjob]

I've skipped the last 10 pages, so these sort of sentiments have probably already been voiced, but this sums up how I feel... I thought it was well put...

Eta: not my words, taken from an FB post






(what's the protocol with quoting from an FB post? I've left the writer's name off, not sure if I should have left it in? It was presumably a public post.)

 

[Sasaferrato]

Boris bed blocking a dedicated ICU bed and the best machines and Dr in the country

what a fucking hero

I appreciate that you don't like the man, however, he is the PM and therefore should have access to the necessary treatment, whether it be precautionary or not. My view would be entirely the same had it been Corbyn who won the election and was now ill.

Your attitude says rather a lot about your lack of common humanity.

 

[brogdale]

I appreciate that you don't like the man, however, he is the PM and therefore should have access to the necessary treatment, whether it be precautionary or not. My view would be entirely the same had it been Corbyn who won the election and was now ill.

Your attitude says rather a lot about your lack of common humanity.

Not really; only one of the two individuals mentioned believes in common humanity.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I appreciate that you don't like the man, however, he is the PM and therefore should have access to the necessary treatment, whether it be precautionary or not. My view would be entirely the same had it been Corbyn who won the election and was now ill.

Your attitude says rather a lot about your lack of common humanity.

I would not blame him, nor judge him, for accepting preferential treatment at this moment, but his treatment and his access to limited equipment should be assessed in exactly the same way as everyone else's. That is common humanity. And I do not know, but I suspect, that Corbyn might have insisted on just such a thing in this situation.

 

[lefteri]

I appreciate that you don't like the man, however, he is the PM and therefore should have access to the necessary treatment, whether it be precautionary or not. My view would be entirely the same had it been Corbyn who won the election and was now ill.

Your attitude says rather a lot about your lack of common humanity.

bollocks, why should he should have access because he is the PM? - you think the prime minister’s life is worth more than your own?

 

[Ax^]

I appreciate that you don't like the man, however, he is the PM and therefore should have access to the necessary treatment, whether it be precautionary or not. My view would be entirely the same had it been Corbyn who won the election and was now ill.

Your attitude says rather a lot about your lack of common humanity.

if he is stable and does not have pneumonia the required medical equipment surely it could be put to better use at the time of crisis

 

[Sasaferrato]

bollocks, why should he should have access because he is the PM? - you think the prime minister’s life is worth more than your own?

<Sigh>

 

[Saul Goodman]

I appreciate that you don't like the man, however, he is the PM and therefore should have access to the necessary treatment, whether it be precautionary or not. My view would be entirely the same had it been Corbyn who won the election and was now ill.

Your attitude says rather a lot about your lack of common humanity.

You think someone should be allowed to jump the queue, and allow someone else to die, simply because they won an election?

 

[Sasaferrato]

This thread reminds me why I despise the brutality and lack of humanity displayed by the hard left. They purport to be humanists, but in fact are are eugenicist cunts. Humanity is only for the m monothoughtly rabid clique of the worthy.

Thread is now on ignore.

 

[killer b]

This thread reminds me why I despise the brutality and lack of humanity displayed by the hard left. They purport to be humanists, but in fact are are eugenicist cunts. Humanity is only for the m monothoughtly rabid clique of the worthy.

dude, you're the one on the thread advocating giving preferential access to treatment to more important people.

 

[equationgirl]

This thread reminds me why I despise the brutality and lack of humanity displayed by the hard left. They purport to be humanists, but in fact are are eugenicist cunts. Humanity is only for the m monothoughtly rabid clique of the worthy.

Thread is now on ignore.

How does it make those people calling Boris a queue jumper 'eugenicist cunts'?