Border Farce

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Oh Ffs

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Henceforth Bollox will meet equally well armed, and perhaps better armed tropes. Henceforth they will have to face in many forums that superiority which they have so often imagined they used without mercy against others, of which they boasted all round the boards, and which they intended to use as an instrument for convincing all other peoples that all resistance to them was hopeless....

 

[Marty1]

Yes, but whatever method they try involves high level of risk which is indicative of their desperation to seek asylum or refuge in our country. I was interested to hear from you why you took particular exception to one form of risky transit that is pretty much the only option available for those you are infirm, older, children etc.

Not sure you're expressing your real views here.

No, you’re being deliberately dishonest - the people we’re talking about are choosing to leave the safe shores of France by paying considerable sums of money to criminal enterprise - there’s a clear distinction.

 

[existentialist]

No, you’re being deliberately dishonest - the people we’re talking about are choosing to leave the safe shores of France by paying considerable sums of money to criminal enterprise - there’s a clear distinction.

The only reason the distinction you're claiming is any distinction at all is because you're treating desperate refugees' exploitation by people smugglers as if it is a simple matter of choosing a pair of shoes.

 

[Marty1]

The only reason the distinction you're claiming is any distinction at all is because you're treating desperate refugees' exploitation by people smugglers as if it is a simple matter of choosing a pair of shoes.

Just how much are shoes in France?

 

[brogdale]

No, you’re being deliberately dishonest - the people we’re talking about are choosing to leave the safe shores of France by paying considerable sums of money to criminal enterprise - there’s a clear distinction.

Yes, of course, you're right. How dumb of me...why on earth would they want to leave the camps of France and the traffickers.

There's someone being dishonest here.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No, you’re being deliberately dishonest - the people we’re talking about are choosing to leave the safe shores of France by paying considerable sums of money to criminal enterprise - there’s a clear distinction.

Safe shores of France. Are you taking the fucking piss? Have you the slightest idea how safe it is to be a refugee in France? The CRS coming around every night to tuck you in bed with a cop of Horlicks and that, yeah?

 

[Pickman's model]

Safe shores of France. Are you taking the fucking piss? Have you the slightest idea how safe it is to be a refugee in France? The CRS coming around every night to tuck you in bed with a cop of Horlicks and that, yeah?

the shores are obvs the only bit of france that's safe, in marty1's mind

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, of course, you're right. How dumb of me...why on earth would they want to leave the camps of France and the traffickers.

There's someone being dishonest here.

he's not got an honest bone in his body

 

[Pickman's model]

Safe shores of France. Are you taking the fucking piss? Have you the slightest idea how safe it is to be a refugee in France? The CRS coming around every night to tuck you in bed with a cop of Horlicks and that, yeah?

when i went on holiday to the south of france i visited menton. which is a lovely place. at the next station there there's a permanent presence of crs, as it's the first stop over the border from italy. they boarded every train coming from italy and without fail over the several hours i observed them - WITHOUT FAIL - they brought one or two or even a family of people off the train, put them in a van and drove off. and WITHOUT FAIL they were black. judging by their bags they were most likely french citizens - they almost all had only a small rucksack, new looking, with them. and if that's how they treat people who most likely had the right to be there i don't like to think about what they'd do to an actual illegal immigrant. some months ago i was bored and looked at google streetview and damn me if there wasn't a van of crs in every previous photo i found.

 

[existentialist]

Just how much are shoes in France?

Nice try.

 

[brogdale]

when i went on holiday to the south of france i visited menton. which is a lovely place. at the next station there there's a permanent presence of crs, as it's the first stop over the border from italy. they boarded every train coming from italy and without fail over the several hours i observed them - WITHOUT FAIL - they brought one or two or even a family of people off the train, put them in a van and drove off. and WITHOUT FAIL they were black. judging by their bags they were most likely french citizens - they almost all had only a small rucksack, new looking, with them. and if that's how they treat people who most likely had the right to be there i don't like to think about what they'd do to an actual illegal immigrant. some months ago i was bored and looked at google streetview and damn me if there wasn't a van of crs in every previous photo i found.

Yes, anyone staying on the Ligurian coast cannot fail to notice the large number of migrants sleeping under the boardwalks & kiosks. They're there because of what awaits them just around the coast.

 

[existentialist]

Yes, anyone staying on the Ligurian coast cannot fail to notice the large number of migrants sleeping under the boardwalks & kiosks. They're there because of what awaits them just around the coast.

You sure they're not just catching a few rays and having a bit of a holiday, before perhaps a jolly jaunt across the Channel, for shits'n'giggles?

 

[brogdale]

You sure they're not just catching a few rays and having a bit of a holiday, before perhaps a jolly jaunt across the Channel, for shits'n'giggles?

Talking of channeling...is that you old Bollocks?

 

[existentialist]

Talking of channeling...is that you old Bollocks?

Damn, was it that obvious?

 

[Marty1]

Have you the slightest idea how safe it is to be a refugee in France? The CRS coming around every night to tuck you in bed with a cop of Horlicks and that, yeah?

No. But clearly it must be so bad that they are prepared to chance their lives in crossing the channel in an overweighted/overcrowded dinghy that barely sits above the waterline.

This perhaps explains why the French Navy is escorting these perilous vessels into British waters for a handover to British Navy to save.

This is clearly an indictment of Macron and the EU as a whole.

 

[existentialist]

No. But clearly it must be so bad that they are prepared to chance their lives in crossing the channel in an overweighted/overcrowded dinghy that barely sits above the waterline.

This perhaps explains why the French Navy is escorting these perilous vessels into British waters for a handover to British Navy to save.

This is clearly an indictment of Macron and the EU as a whole.

No, it isn't. It's the French doing exactly what they said they do if the UK decided to fill its pants and chuck its toys out of the pram.

 

[brogdale]

No. But clearly it must be so bad that they are prepared to chance their lives in crossing the channel in an overweighted/overcrowded dinghy that barely sits above the waterline.

This perhaps explains why the French Navy is escorting these perilous vessels into British waters for a handover to British Navy to save.

This is clearly an indictment of Macron and the EU as a whole.

Some indictment...

 

[Marty1]

No, it isn't. It's the French doing exactly what they said they do if the UK decided to fill its pants and chuck its toys out of the pram.

Oh, so that makes it ok for the French to use people as political pawns then.

 

[brogdale]

Oh, so that makes it ok for the French to use people as political pawns then.

You utter tool.
Where do you get all this?

 

[Marty1]

You utter tool.
Where do you get all this?

Please take the time to read upthread (or perhaps take existentialist off ignore).

 

[brogdale]

Please take the time to read upthread (or perhaps take existentialist off ignore).

Don't come the cunt with me.

 

[CNT36]

No. But clearly it must be so bad that they are prepared to chance their lives in crossing the channel in an overweighted/overcrowded dinghy that barely sits above the waterline.

This perhaps explains why the French Navy is escorting these perilous vessels into British waters for a handover to British Navy to save.

This is clearly an indictment of Macron and the EU as a whole.

So you can leave the EU for a land of milk and honey but they cannot?

 

[Pickman's model]

You utter tool.
Where do you get all this?

He excavates it from his arse

 

[existentialist]

Oh, so that makes it ok for the French to use people as political pawns then.

Well, since the UK were essentially using them as collateral for blackmail, it's hard to see what the French could have done otherwise. The UK has withdrawn from the co-operation agreement, so as far as I can see, all the French are doing is to continue to fulfil theirs up to and not beyond the international border WE insisted be reinstated as part of all the Brexit thing.

I realise you're a bit wet between the ears just yet to qualify as a gammon, but you do a fine job of assembling some seriously gammonesque insinuations around your rather derivative maunderings...

 

[existentialist]

He excavates it from his arse

Sadly, that would seem to be a rather more substantial, and arguably even useful, output. Equally sadly, I think he digs it out from what passes for a mind.

 

[Ax^]

Yes, I can see you’re absolutely desperate to try and fit me into some sort of far right anti something/whatever agenda. Do try to be not so gutless in apologising and obfuscating around this deadly illegal sea crossing enterprise.

aye its other people trying to paint you are a right wing trump loving fucknut and not your posting habits


and we made you post link on the site to right wing bullshit as well

 

[brogdale]

Sadly, that would seem to be a rather more substantial, and arguably even useful, output. Sadly, I think he digs it out from what passes for a mind.

Agreed; coming on here to blame asylum seekers & refugees for seeking asylum or refuge and wrapping that outright cuntery in the union flag.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No. But clearly it must be so bad that they are prepared to chance their lives in crossing the channel in an overweighted/overcrowded dinghy that barely sits above the waterline.

This perhaps explains why the French Navy is escorting these perilous vessels into British waters for a handover to British Navy to save.

This is clearly an indictment of Macron and the EU as a whole.

It is incredibly bad, to leave everything you have and travel vast distances on foot and via many dubious and dangerous methods, paying out enormous sums of money to utter cunts along the way, facing savage violence from those cunts and also from any authorities you encounter. None of this is for the Benjamins, it is escaping a world where they will be killed. Afghanistan, Eritrea, Libya, Syria and so on, their choice is take on this hellish journey or die. How fucking awful is that choice?

And then there are legions of you. No idea at all about these struggles bar what you read in rags like the mail, looking down on them and churning out the bullshit these rags tell you to, all the while working like a dog for shit money with terrible working conditions, yet you have bought the bullshit they’re selling and stand on their side.

You massive fucking mug.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Oh, so that makes it ok for the French to use people as political pawns then.

You know what? I'm not going to serve you up any invective.

I'm shitted living in a world where people are so desperate to find a place to grow, breathe and be safe that people are compelled to take massive risks to obtain what you and I take for granted. I'm shitted that the same forces of inequality we are subjected to are amplified for refugees and migrants to a degree that's hard to imagine for us. But I'm also shitted that someone who recognises Bezos and the world you have to work in fails to make the most basic connections. You have more in common with those desperate (mostly) young people than you do with any of the political class.

But it's all just a game. Just a game. Like football. Which side shall I choose?

I don't really know what purpose or meaning posting on this site provides you. It can't be mental masturbation, evidently.

 

[Marty1]

Well, since the UK were essentially using them as collateral for blackmail, it's hard to see what the French could have done otherwise. The UK has withdrawn from the co-operation agreement, so as far as I can see, all the French are doing is to continue to fulfil theirs up to and not beyond the international border WE insisted be reinstated as part of all the Brexit thing.

So what’s your solution to this issue? (Apart from behaving in the very manner you slur me with - a red faced gammon)?