Why can't we just have a 'standard' border in Northern Ireland re: Brexit

[xarmian]

Brexit: A brief history of the backstop

 

[Dogsauce]

Is that singular ‘gay’ some kind of noun? Like a gas seeping over the border? Beware of ‘gay’?

 

[Cheesepig3]

Those who like to maintain the union and/or retcon history would say so. I admit that I swallowed that version of events for a while, when I believed that an independent NI/6 counties might be the only answer. This was long before Brexit and it was rightly pointed out to me, that to support such a state would be to support the legitimacy of partition.

It's true that Ireland had many warring kings/clans and chieftains in the 5 (or more) provinces over the centuries. But there's many a genesis of a country (Italy, Germany etc) that had various kingdoms, fifedoms, states, republics that shared common peoples and cultures.

Sounds a bit of a vague argument for murdering children in Warrington but if it makes you feel good I'm sure it must be right.

 

[Celyn]

Sounds a bit of a vague argument for murdering children in Warrington but if it makes you feel good I'm sure it must be right.

Really?

I didn't notice any such argument, vague or not.

I wonder, cheesepig, if you might care to elucidate.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Is that singular ‘gay’ some kind of noun? Like a gas seeping over the border? Beware of ‘gay’?

Looks like they misjudged the length of cloth and literally had no room for "s".
So not only bigots and hate filled sectarians but lacking in measuring skills too.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Sounds a bit of a vague argument for murdering children in Warrington but if it makes you feel good I'm sure it must be right.

Where did he say that?

 

[Celyn]

Looks like they misjudged the length of cloth and literally had no room for "s".
So not only bigots and hate filled sectarians but lacking in measuring skills too.

Like "Citizen Smith" carefully doing very important graffiti:

THINK AHEA

 

[krtek a houby]

Sounds a bit of a vague argument for murdering children in Warrington but if it makes you feel good I'm sure it must be right.

Your rebuttal sounds like a vague argument for centuries of British oppression, murdering Irish people, taking their language and religion away and then subjecting the people of the occupied 6 counties to generations of discrimination, harassment, internment and not forgetting murder by the crown forces.

See? Even I can play this game, too.

 

[Poi E]

But when I went to Belfast almost everyone sounded Irish

 

[Baronage-Phase]

But when I went to Belfast almost everyone sounded Irish

Yup... that's cos they are.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Your rebuttal sounds like a vague argument for centuries of British oppression, murdering Irish people, taking their language and religion away and then subjecting the people of the occupied 6 counties to generations of discrimination, harassment, internment and not forgetting murder by the crown forces.

See? Even I can play this game, too.

Spot on..



You forgot to mention the starvation (commonly and wrongly referred to as the famine)

 

[Pickman's model]

Sounds a bit of a vague argument for murdering children in Warrington but if it makes you feel good I'm sure it must be right.

it's this sort of thinking that led to Warrington, that ignores the causes of political violence and indeed ignores and by silence condones state violence like the machine-gunning of children by the police or the murder of children with plastic or rubber bullets by the army

 

[Pickman's model]

Spot on..



You forgot to mention the starvation (commonly and wrongly referred to as the famine)

More than one famine, see for example 1879 which if not as fatal as the great hunger certainly concerned the diaspora in Britain to the point that other political activity ceased as the Irish in Britain turned toward fundraising to help stave off the spectre of 1845-9

 

[Artaxerxes]

And so it begins...

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‘No Irish, no gay’ banner hung over motorway being treated as a hate crime

Norn Irish Tindr needs a bit of work.

 

[Yossarian]

Aww bless. In this day and age to be worried a Mongol invasion...

A noirish one, no less - I've never really associated the Mongol hordes with hard-bitten private eyes.

 

[Mordi]

Norn Irish Tindr needs a bit of work.

Grindr is pretty good though.

 

[bellaozzydog]

 

[Cheesepig3]

Your rebuttal sounds like a vague argument for centuries of British oppression, murdering Irish people, taking their language and religion away and then subjecting the people of the occupied 6 counties to generations of discrimination, harassment, internment and not forgetting murder by the crown forces.

See? Even I can play this game, too.

Yeah that's it. That's the game.


Except of course that murdering children in Warrington is not justified by that stuff you said so it's a bit of a non sequitur.


Your turn.


Edit: I'm pleased with the spellcheck thingy. Trepidation took me when I started to type "sequitur".

 

[Cheesepig3]

Yup... that's cos they are.

Check what the passports say.

 

[toblerone3]

the acts of union (scotland with england, 1706, england with scotland, 1707) which put into effect the treaty of union which maomao refers to but which everyone else has forgotten, these also made the queens - NOT the kings - of england and scotland queen of the united kingdom: queen anne being on the throne/s at the time.

Very careless drafting, does that mean that if the Queen dies and is replaced by a King that King is not the monarch of the United Kingdom?

 

[skyscraper101]

Have the Real IRA put out any statements concerning the whole border thing yet?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Have the Real IRA put out any statements concerning the whole border thing yet?

Have you considered asking them?

 

[krtek a houby]

Yeah that's it. That's the game.


Except of course that murdering children in Warrington is not justified by that stuff you said so it's a bit of a non sequitur.


Your turn.


Edit: I'm pleased with the spellcheck thingy. Trepidation took me when I started to type "sequitur".

The irony of non sequiturs is lost on you. I gave you historical context to the idea of divisions in Ireland and you gave me an emotive response about Warrington.

Fucks sake, soldier, it's taken you 2 whole days to come up with that?

Ireland will be united, deal with it.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Ireland will be united, deal with it.

Will it? When?

 

[krtek a houby]

Will it? When?

Post-Brexit, anything is now possible. I thought it wouldn't happen in my lifetime but now...

 

[Saul Goodman]

Post-Brexit, anything is now possible. I thought it wouldn't happen in my lifetime but now...

Don't hold your breath.

 

[krtek a houby]

Don't hold your breath.

That's what I used to think. I'm a lot more optimistic about it these days.

 

[Saul Goodman]

That's what I used to think. I'm a lot more optimistic about it these days.

You think Orangemen are going to lie down with Fenians? Bless!

 

[krtek a houby]

You think Orangemen are going to lie down with Fenians? Bless!

People said gay marriage, abortion, divorce, contraception and many other seismic shifts in Ireland would never happen.

It won't be easy but if they can be guaranteed that their culture won't be erased etc, they might well come round to it.

 

[Saul Goodman]

People said gay marriage, abortion, divorce, contraception and many other seismic shifts in Ireland would never happen.

It won't be easy but if they can be guaranteed that their culture won't be erased etc, they might well come round to it.

I'm sorry but I think your unicorn has scarpered