"Blacked up" Morris dancers forced to flee during performance

[danny la rouge]

That’s not one of mine…

Sorry, I meant: does that thread not cover the ground you were hoping for?

 

[A380]

Sorry, I meant: does that thread not cover the ground you were hoping for?

Oh I see, no it wasn’t me it was ska invita and Magnus McGinty whi suggested it merited it’s own more serious discussion….

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh I see, no it wasn’t me it was ska invita and Magnus McGinty whi suggested it merited it’s own more serious discussion….

Apologies. I’m in a post Boxing Day daze.

 

[seeformiles]

A starting point might be looking at the notion of culture somehow being intellectual property.

But what about people who say black women shouldn’t straighten their hair? Both other black people and white people of the left who say it’s like collaboration with white culture and those ( TBF racist nutters in the states) who say it’s cultural appropriation.


I think it’s bollocks and people should be free to do whatever they want with their hair. But am I wrong if some people feel it’s racist?

It also freezes the culture concerned in amber and completely ignores how shared ideas are how we as a species have always moved forward. I think a thread on the same would do little to change entrenched positions - much as though I think Urban might be able to rise above the shrill tone that many (esp. in the US) take when discussing the same.

 

[kabbes]

It also freezes the culture concerned in amber and completely ignores how shared ideas are how we as a species have always moved forward.

Which cuts both ways. As perspectives on racism change (or “move forward”), the acts considered racist change with them. To be wilfully blind to these changes is a performative act in its own right.

 

[kabbes]

That’s not quite the same as how I see it.

First, the practicalities: if people see something as racist, don’t do it unless you want to show yourself up as a dick.
“It didn’t used to be racist”. Well it is now, so stop being a dick.

Agreed

Secondly, the analysis: race exists because of racism, not the other way around.

Subject to some more work to carefully define terms, also potentially agreed. However, I don’t think that contradicts what I said, which is that racism isn’t some reified thing that objectively exists outside of context. Instead, it is created by racist acts. Where there is consensus that an act is racist, performing it constructs racism.

 

[isvicthere?]

So no evidence then . Fair enough. After all it developed from a white working class tradition so you can be fairly safe to declare it racist based on your suspicions.

Not sure of the scientific method which produces "evidence" of people´s intentions.