Bernie is running
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Yuwipi Woman
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It's still good that he ran. The kids that I met at the caucus arn't going to go quietly, even if Bernie isn't in the race. He only made it safe to say things people have been wanting said for a long time. There's more Bernies out there.
pocketscience
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The email scandal aside, is there any chance that this analysis exposing charty fraud at the Clinton Foundation could send Killary's campaign crashing, and hand Bernie a second chance?
Charles Ortel
Wall Street 'Whistleblower' Analyst Exposes Clinton Foundation As "Charity Fraud" | Zero Hedge
Charles Ortel
Wall Street 'Whistleblower' Analyst Exposes Clinton Foundation As "Charity Fraud" | Zero Hedge
maomao
普費斯
Everyone knows Hillary's bent though. It's part of the deal. I don't see that bringing her down. Especially as the links on that page for previous articles on the topic go back 6 months and it hasn't touched her yet,
pocketscience
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Yeah he's been blogging about it for (over) 6 months but is now ready to realease the data of his analysis.
But yeah, i see what you mean about everyone knowing she's bent already
pocketscience
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damnNAFTA
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'I've been silent': Harvard's Clinton backers face life on a pro-Bernie campus
Media seem to really like this Hillary supporters silenced/bullied by hordes of Bernie supporters (who are also misogynists) angle.
Edit: just wanted to add something I've thought about from the beginning of Bernie's run. I've heard speculation that Elizabeth Warren decided not to run because of some sort of deal with Hillary (maybe in exchange for the promise of a job in her administration, for example). Whether that's true or not, it seems unfortunate for this more progressive movement within the Democratic party that their candidate was an old white (Jews seem to be mostly considered white in America now?) male at a time when sensitivity and activism around women's rights/feminism/whatever are very high. Hillary can basically deflect any and all criticism as misogynist and it works quite well. She can also get a lot of support from the people who buy into the vicarious liberation (I just made that up so maybe not the best word) where someone who shares some aspect of their identity getting money, success, or power means good things (or at least some sort of psychological satisfaction) for all who share that identity. The same would not have been true if her opponent in the primary was also a woman. I guess Hillary knew if Warren became her opponent in the primary she would lose.
Media seem to really like this Hillary supporters silenced/bullied by hordes of Bernie supporters (who are also misogynists) angle.
Edit: just wanted to add something I've thought about from the beginning of Bernie's run. I've heard speculation that Elizabeth Warren decided not to run because of some sort of deal with Hillary (maybe in exchange for the promise of a job in her administration, for example). Whether that's true or not, it seems unfortunate for this more progressive movement within the Democratic party that their candidate was an old white (Jews seem to be mostly considered white in America now?) male at a time when sensitivity and activism around women's rights/feminism/whatever are very high. Hillary can basically deflect any and all criticism as misogynist and it works quite well. She can also get a lot of support from the people who buy into the vicarious liberation (I just made that up so maybe not the best word) where someone who shares some aspect of their identity getting money, success, or power means good things (or at least some sort of psychological satisfaction) for all who share that identity. The same would not have been true if her opponent in the primary was also a woman. I guess Hillary knew if Warren became her opponent in the primary she would lose.
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
A little OT, but I think one of the best things we could do is to liberate ourselves form the absolute stranglehold Harvard, Yale, Stanford, the U. of Chicago, etc. have on the intellectual capital of the US. Those ivy league schools have become so mired in their own self importance and stodgy theories that it's a drag on the country. I'm not being anti-intellectual here. I just think it's time that other voices are put into the mix.
As for Marx at Harvard. When they graduate, they'll all take that $300K a year to be a corporate lawyer and become good Republicans like their parents.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and they go ont be lawmakers, journalists, politicians, doctors,- what we call the 'proffessions'. So their stranglehold on public discourse is just reinforced year after year
its much the same as our oxbridge mafia situation.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
This is great, well worth a read Burying the White Working Class | Jacobin
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Pity it's yet another privileged elite liberal university 15 years in 'college' type who writes it and the same who publishes it.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Why pity? Apart from who wrote it and who published it, what's wrong with it?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The point was the pity apart from the content. If i had a problem with the content then i would have said that rather than saying something quite different.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Fair enough no problem with content but who would you rather have written it and published it?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I reckon there's a fair few tens of million people concerned with the stuff mentioned in the article - which means there's tens of thousands of people writing about them. But to the jacobin bubble they don't exist (stalinists and other dodgy people do) because they're not in their bubble. And those tens of thousands of people writing this stuff probably think fuck the jacobin, they sounded like they meant it but the proof is in the pudding and their posh fucking mates got to eat it all.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
No idea about Jacobin bubble business or their posh mates or whatever. Fuck 'em!
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Not getting your point here. Jacobin shouldn't publish it because elite bubble? We shouldn't bother with Jacobin because ditto? Maybe you could link to something less bubbly?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Who said any of that blather? Apart the last line, which proves my fucking point.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
I was hoping you might elaborate on "those tens of thousands of people writing this stuff".
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In what way? By pointing to the tens of thousands of people not published in jacobin? And the narrow elite liberal university profile of those actually published by and who run jacobin?
damnNAFTA
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This discussion also got me thinking about something. While that Jacobin article sounds likes a pretty fair assessment of the mainstream Democratic party's beliefs. I think it's also true that, at least in the United States, leftists who would never associate with the Democratic party embrace what seems like a similar line of reasoning. For example, I'm sure some of you are familiar with the book Settlers by J. Sakai (link to pdf). I admit I haven't read it (I plan to very soon) but I've heard it come up a lot and my understanding is that basically Sakai argues there is no white working class in the US, that the whites often called that are more accurately labor aristocrats who have historically exploited the labor of non whites (who are the real working class in America). I am not sure what Sakai himself argued about whether or not one should bother organizing labor aristocrats or not but it almost always gets brought up in left circles I've been around as a basically infallible book filled with reasons to ignore the concerns of working class whites.
I know most of you are UK based but have any of you engaged with this debate in general or have any thoughts?
I know most of you are UK based but have any of you engaged with this debate in general or have any thoughts?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a disgusting book that's that is so American-centric in it criticism of eurocentrism that it becomes laughable in approach. Oh yeah, and all the massive historical errors. It's maoist shit.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I can't see any crossover with any discussion here tbh,
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Minor celebrity, altercation at 3:30am in a hotel bar, TMZ as the only source - hard to imagine it being huge news either way.
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