Bernie is running

[J Ed]

Minor celebrity, altercation at 3:30am in a hotel bar, TMZ as the only source - hard to imagine it being huge news either way.

Compared to 'rich young adult has to verbally defend choice of political candidate' it is absolutely news.

 

[Yossarian]

Yep, it's news likely to end up in a few sidebars - same as it would be if he'd drunkenly accosted a couple of Clinton fans.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Just seen Reuters tweeting about it. You're absolutely right though; had political allegiances been the other way around it would have been all the media was talking about.

See also: the way the media handles stories to do with Corbyn versus the Tories.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Media seem to really like this Hillary supporters silenced/bullied by hordes of Bernie supporters (who are also misogynists) angle.

Sounds familiar.

 

[skyscraper101]

lol

Wendell Pierce AKA Bunk From 'The Wire' Was Arrested For Assaulting a Bernie Sanders Supporter

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Oh Bunk, what are you like?

 

[Casually Red]

What a cunt

 

[J Ed]

lol

Wendell Pierce AKA Bunk From 'The Wire' Was Arrested For Assaulting a Bernie Sanders Supporter

I dont really think it's that funny, in fact I think it's disgusting that a rich celebrity is attacking women for daring to voice support for a socialist candidate.

Good number of HRC supporters seem pretty happy with what happened.

 

[skyscraper101]

I dont really think it's that funny, in fact I think it's disgusting that a rich celebrity is attacking women for daring to voice support for a socialist candidate.

Good number of HRC supporters seem pretty happy with what happened.

Yeah sorry, was being flippant. The whole thing is just a pantomime to me, but of course it is depressing when people are actually assaulting each other in America over political allegiances. Another reason I'm glad don't live there anymore tbh.

 

[Casually Red]

Exclusive interview with Sanders here by RT . Still upbeat and pledging to fight Clinton to the last . Big selling point is his much higher chances of beating Trump than her if he was selected as the nominee . A lot of interesting stuff in this one .

We are a stronger candidate against Trump than Clinton is ‒ Sanders to RT (EXCLUSIVE)

 

[J Ed]

Kentucky and Oregon vote today, both should be for Sanders.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Kentucky and Oregon vote today, both should be for Sanders.

Kentucky will probably go for Clinton. The southern states have mostly gone that way. Oregon is a real possibility though.

 

[J Ed]

Kentucky will probably go for Clinton. The southern states have mostly gone that way. Oregon is a real possibility though.

I dunno, last polling was done in March and showed a 5 point Clinton lead. WV was for Clinton in 2008 as well, and Kentucky is a similar state in some ways.

 

[Nylock]

Kentucky will probably go for Clinton. The southern states have mostly gone that way. Oregon is a real possibility though.

Yeah, Clinton has won 13/17 in that region so it's likely she could win Kentucky (but maybe by a narrow margin). So far on the wider campaign Clinton is only ahead in the South and on the overseas ballot. She's level on the Northeast and Sanders is in the lead elsewhere so there may yet be a slender chance for him to at least pull even maybe by the convention...? I know it's down the road but if it's a narrow win for him in California or a Clinton win then he's likely fucked beyond recovery =/

 

[Fez909]

It's close.

Clinton: 46.8
Sanders: 46.5

91% reported.

 

[NoBystander]

Not getting your point here. Jacobin shouldn't publish it because elite bubble? We shouldn't bother with Jacobin because ditto? Maybe you could link to something less bubbly?

I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

 

[J Ed]

Clinton camp launched a hate campaign to get a left-wing writer (and his wife) sacked despite knowing that they were about to have a child.

Clinton coterie genuinely bragging about it, including his child going without, they really do see it as a moral victory rather than a utilitarian punishing exercise. These liberal moralists are disgusting.

 

[butchersapron]

One for the commentariat thread surely? Disgusting bubble politics (all round) posing as... i don't know what.

 

[teqniq]

Lots of hand-wringing and finger-pointing going on here.

Why won't Bernie Sanders step down for the sake of the American Left?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Lots of hand-wringing and finger-pointing going on here.

Why won't Bernie Sanders step down for the sake of the American Left?

Hillary Clinton is not the American Left. I'm astounded anyone would be so misinformed as to suggest it.

 

[J Ed]

Hillary Clinton is not the American Left. I'm astounded anyone would be so misinformed as to suggest it.

Deliberate use of misleading language is very popular atm. Blairites in the UK currently enjoy spending their time calling themselves internationalists, and their opponents isolationists, when they talk about the benefits of cleansing Saracen lands with fire

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Went to the county Democratic convention as a Bernie delegate this weekend. It was educational, to say the least.

The old guard was squarely in Clinton's court, and seemed both annoyed and pleased at the turnout for Bernie. Annoyed because it wasn't their "chosen one". Pleased because the Bernie supporters caused them to have to move to a larger venue. (Near as I can tell they followed the rules) They've got some really motivated people if they don't alienate them and put them to proper use.

I did have to laugh a number of times. The Bernie supporters were younger and whiter. The Clinton supporters older and darker. I kept being mistaken for a Clinton delegate. Repeatedly.

I met a lot of interesting people. One lady that we sent to the State convention had a child with a serious birth defect. They'd seen that child through 21 surgeries, only to lose their retirement plans, their home, and eventually their paychecks through garnishment. With all that stress, they're lucky they still have a marriage. I can't think of anyone more passionate to send to represent the need for universal care.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Got this as an email this weekend. It looks like Sanders is trying to take over the Democratic party by ousting the party's Chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The political revolution is not just about electing a president. We need a Congress with members who believe, like Bernie, that we cannot change a corrupt system by taking its money.

So let me introduce you to Tim Canova, a progressive challenger who is running against Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in a Democratic primary in Florida this year.

Tim endorsed Bernie’s presidential campaign, and was inspired to run because of Wasserman Schultz’ support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. His campaign is funded like ours, by lots of people giving small amounts of money.

And on issues like taking on Wall Street, making tuition free at public colleges, and reforming our broken campaign finance system, he is someone you can be proud to support. That's why Bernie is endorsing Tim's campaign, and why we’re proud to ask:

Splitting a contribution between Bernie 2016 and Tim Canova for Congress will help elect progressives up and down the ballot while sending an UNMISTAKABLE message about our political revolution’s commitment to electing candidates who share our values.

They have a point here. She's been very firmly in Clinton's corner and has been an absolute doormat for the Republicans.

(The bold is from the original email.)

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It looks like Sanders is accepting not being the Presidential candidate, and is planning the next wave:

Tim Canova, primary opponent to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz -- who is also Democratic National Committee chair -- said Monday that a fundraising email from Bernie Sanders helped him raise $250,000. The cash haul came after the Vermont senator endorsed Canova on CNN.

In a press release, the Canova campaign said that it raised more than $225,000 from an email sent over the weekend by the Sanders' campaign to his list of supporters, a highly coveted and extensive network of voters nationwide. The Canova campaign also said that another $65,000 in small dollar donations poured into his coffers for the South Florida Democratic primary in late August.

Like the Sanders campaign, Canova's average contribution is low: a mere $17.63 on average was donated over the weekend.

Bernie Sanders raises $250,000 for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz' primary opponent - CNNPolitics.com

It should be noted that Wasserman Schultz has $1.5 Million in her re-election fund. Still, not bad for a 24-hour total.

 

[Casually Red]

This discussion also got me thinking about something. While that Jacobin article sounds likes a pretty fair assessment of the mainstream Democratic party's beliefs. I think it's also true that, at least in the United States, leftists who would never associate with the Democratic party embrace what seems like a similar line of reasoning. For example, I'm sure some of you are familiar with the book Settlers by J. Sakai (link to pdf). I admit I haven't read it (I plan to very soon) but I've heard it come up a lot and my understanding is that basically Sakai argues there is no white working class in the US, that the whites often called that are more accurately labor aristocrats who have historically exploited the labor of non whites (who are the real working class in America). I am not sure what Sakai himself argued about whether or not one should bother organizing labor aristocrats or not but it almost always gets brought up in left circles I've been around as a basically infallible book filled with reasons to ignore the concerns of working class whites.

I know most of you are UK based but have any of you engaged with this debate in general or have any thoughts?

It .. the notions within..strikes me as a very useful ..and potent..tool for the divide and rule agendas of both the capitalist class and certain factions of the identity politics focused..obsessed.. left . And ignores pretty basic stuff. Like how immigrant and black labour was routinely used by the bosses as cheap and scab labour against the white working class . How slavery itself was a ploy by the bosses to avoid having to pay white workers wages . How all this was a tool in the bosses armoury, as well as the facial animosity that was stoked to ensure no solidarity between the working class. Similar to some of te shit that theory does . Or for example how Irish immigrants doing the same awful jobs as the Chinese etc..and who often had a life expectancy similar to stone age society ..who were often themselves a source of cheap /scab labour and often deeply unpopular , including with the communists and certain unions for a period, could be considered a labour aristocracy . Or indeed all those poor maligned and ridiculed bastards in trailer parks today could be considered a labour aristocracy by anyone with a wit of sense.

It's simply the airbrushing away of the troublesome , combined with a divide and rule agenda . Utterly nauseating . Race triumphs over class and yet more abandonment and maligning of the white working class ..and by extension the working class itself, by balkanising it ...by arsehole lefty intellectuals and their fucking identity politics .

Not hard to see the potential fun various dodgy " radicals " could have with inverting such notions either . Very useful to certain funny saluters as a source I'd imagine. Tell the white working class they've nothing in common with the rest of the working class, and to forget all that socialist stuff . Says who ? Why..the socialists !! Here it's in this very popular American socialist book so many on the left thinks important . You should read it . That's what they're actually saying .

Talk about doing the bosses and the fascists job for them . Wankers .

 

[Casually Red]

Yeah sorry, was being flippant. The whole thing is just a pantomime to me, but of course it is depressing when people are actually assaulting each other in America over political allegiances. Another reason I'm glad don't live there anymore tbh.

As it involved alcohol , women , a celeb , a hotel at 3 30 in the morning and an apparent refusal to be allowed into someone else's room at that ungodly hour ...Ive a feeling there may have been a little more than political differences at the heart of it .

 

[free spirit]

House minority leader Nancy Pelosi has come out as endorsing Sanders. Is she influential enough to result in any significant number of defections of super delegates to Sanders?

“I am going on record to officially endorse Senator Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Election for President. During his inspiring campaign rise over the last several months, Senator Sanders has proven that he has the vision and conviction to lead America. Furthermore, his showing in Iowa yesterday proved that he can capture the hearts, minds, and votes of the American people.

“He is one of the most effective and responsive leaders I have ever worked with. His passion, his plan, and his vision is what sets him apart from any other candidate running for this office. I am proud to say that Senator Sanders will have my vote.”

“I look forward to seeing where Senator Sanders will lead this country. I cannot remember the last time that a fellow politician inspired me this deeply and passionately.”

Former House Representative Nancy Pelosi endorses Bernie Sanders - Page 2 of 2 - Daily Politics USA

 

[J Ed]

House minority leader Nancy Pelosi has come out as endorsing Sanders. Is she influential enough to result in any significant number of defections of super delegates to Sanders?



Former House Representative Nancy Pelosi endorses Bernie Sanders - Page 2 of 2 - Daily Politics USA

This would be astonishing if true, but it isn't FALSE: Nancy Pelosi Endorsed Bernie Sanders

 

[free spirit]

oh arse

 

[J Ed]

Interesting trend

YouGov | Clinton expands national primary lead – but Sanders supporters aren't finished yet

Democratic primary voters who favor Sanders are seeing the writing on the wall. More than half of them now believe Clinton will be the nominee. 68% of Sanders supporters think she can beat Donald Trump in the general election (only half of Clinton supporters believe Sanders could win).

But half of Sanders voters are not yet ready to support Clinton in a Clinton-Trump matchup. In fact, the percentage of Sanders supporters willing to vote for Clinton has dropped in the last few weeks. At the end of April, 63% of Sanders supporters said they would vote for Clinton. Importantly, however, these supporters are not going directly to Trump; instead they are moving into the undecided category, going for a third candidate, or opting out of the race altogether.