Benefits of Brexit
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
If only there was a massive and merged thread for discussing Brexit you could have avoided posting this...
ska invita
back on the other side
ive got two:
reform of the common agricultural policy could have huge implications for land use/especially rewilding/increasing biodiversity
could also put a lot of farmers out of action, particularly animal farmers - much as i sympathise with anyone losing their way of life and work, i see that as a long-term good thing for society
the ability of government to subsidise/nationalise via state aid laws
this has yet to be tested against the withdrawal agreement - if something was nationalised that then sold to the EU there might be some offset/trade dispute. maybe not
how much this was ever practically an issue when the UK was in the EU is disputed as it was barely ever tested, nonetheless...
reform of the common agricultural policy could have huge implications for land use/especially rewilding/increasing biodiversity
could also put a lot of farmers out of action, particularly animal farmers - much as i sympathise with anyone losing their way of life and work, i see that as a long-term good thing for society
the ability of government to subsidise/nationalise via state aid laws
this has yet to be tested against the withdrawal agreement - if something was nationalised that then sold to the EU there might be some offset/trade dispute. maybe not
how much this was ever practically an issue when the UK was in the EU is disputed as it was barely ever tested, nonetheless...
too much squeezed in that thread i think
editor
hiraethified
Seeing as this question keeps coming up - but rarely seems to get answered to the satisfaction of the person asking - I think it's good to have thread where the proponents of Brexit can explain and precisely detail the clear benefits that we'll all be enjoying because of Brexit.
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Can you explain? How is the CAP being reformed?
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hiraethified
So a kind of incidental benefit with a nasty bite for farmers?
ska invita
back on the other side
break up the united kingdom - bit unintended, could have been avoided without all the endless Tory South East-centric governments, but looks like too late for that now
independent nations makes for better democracy and will be a sharp kick to the english establishment
(just going to eat, will come back on the CAP in a bit unless someone else does)
independent nations makes for better democracy and will be a sharp kick to the english establishment
(just going to eat, will come back on the CAP in a bit unless someone else does)
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
I'm struggling to see any benefits, tbh.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I see. So, if we aren’t satisfied with answers given on other threads we can now start new ones on the same topic?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Thread over.
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hiraethified
No one is compelling you to do anything.I see. So, if we aren’t satisfied with answers given on other threads we can start new ones on the same topic?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Herein lies the problem, those asking could never be satisfied as all they want is to remain in the EU.
As evidenced by a vegan dismissing Ska’s assertion that it will be bad for animal farmers to the point of driving them out of business.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Role model
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Different strokes. The alt right neoliberal ultras had some vision of a deregulated Singers on Thames money laundering capital of the globe with a cowed impoverished workforce grabbing the crumbs.
The ordinary voters just wanted to wipe the collective smirks off Cameron & Osborne’s mugs. Plenty of pensioners I know would have voted leave any time in the last 30yrs. Most leave voters I know are absolutely still onboard with it & provided the supermarket shelves remain full they will stay that way.
I think the ordinary voter’s vision of brexit is winning & the Tories know Singapore on Thames is dead in the water
What we ended up with is a right wing populist Tory government with a voter base who expect socialism. If they don’t get it I would hope for a Labour landslide as carefully planned & executed as the last one. It is Labour’s to lose...
The ordinary voters just wanted to wipe the collective smirks off Cameron & Osborne’s mugs. Plenty of pensioners I know would have voted leave any time in the last 30yrs. Most leave voters I know are absolutely still onboard with it & provided the supermarket shelves remain full they will stay that way.
I think the ordinary voter’s vision of brexit is winning & the Tories know Singapore on Thames is dead in the water
What we ended up with is a right wing populist Tory government with a voter base who expect socialism. If they don’t get it I would hope for a Labour landslide as carefully planned & executed as the last one. It is Labour’s to lose...
Yossarian
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I think smaller, more targeted threads might help get a broader range of perspectives than a 300-page, 9,000-post behemoth dominated by the same dozen or so posters, though I'm not holding my breath, tbh.
Little Piranha
Small or far away?
While this is obviously a good thing, the European Parliament did vote unanimously to start the process of removing the obligatory tax on sanitary products in 2016, after pressure from the UK. Laura Coryton, who started the Stop Taxing Periods campaign, said "That process has since gone cold, because we then left the EU and we were the ones pushing for it. So if anything, actually, Brexit has made it worse, because if we were to have stayed in the EU, then this piece of legislation would have gone through… then any EU member would be able to axe the tax, not just the UK.”
The question starting this thread has not been asked in good faith with an open mind. In fact, it’s passive-aggressive from post one. So it has no chance of producing anything constructive at all and is nothing but a call-out thread, which is against the rules.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
I understand the fish are happier now they have blue passports.
Can anyone comment on the current curvature of bananas, and has it improved?
Can anyone comment on the current curvature of bananas, and has it improved?
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Irrelevant
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That will be overlooked in this case though.
Overlooked? The call out is being positively endorsed
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Those seem rather hypothetical. Which do you think the tories will do first?
Here’s two more:
Freedom to revert back to IMPERIAL MEASURES! And align ourselves nearly with our Transatlantic cousins.
And after 50 years of chaos and declining value of the POUND STERLING, we could go back to POUNDS, SHILLINGS, and PENCE!
ska invita
back on the other side
My understanding is the Common Agricultural Policy system of payments is over - not reformed, just ditched.
The last I heard it would be reduced incrementally over seven years. The precise details of what will replace it is not yet certain, but theres a summary here
UK unveils post-Brexit plan to phase out current farm subsidies
The transition will last seven years, with the first reduction in usual payments from 2021.
www.politico.eu
What seems certain is that the Tories will not be giving out subsidies on anything like the scale as the CAP, nor in the same terms, such as per head of animal.
" The new "environmental land management scheme" will award cash for environmental efforts such as improved soil health, creating natural flood barriers and species management, and restoring landscapes such as woodland and peatland. "
" The NFU argues livestock farmers will have lost up to 80 percent of their income by 2024 under the current plans, and has pressed the government for more information about how the new scheme will replace that lost income. "
Small scale herd farmers are doomed it looks like
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
knock out some positives then, challenge the OP
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'll say one thing for brexit, it's kept us chatting about it for nigh on six years now.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
The rules have all changed post-Brexit and are up for negotiation. Each individual poster will be able to make their own tailored treaty with the moderators for their mutual benefit. All will turn out well in this best of all possible worlds.
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