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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

quote="malatesta32, post: 10374818"]Ayatollah, Demu, Cogg, Melly, etc. any opinions on dave rentons stuff? shall be looking at it for 'Malatesta' book.[/quote]
"Dave Renton" to me is just another word for "hack". Sorry to be so dismissive - but "When we touched the Sky" was just such a hackwork on the ANL. Don't get me wrong I still think ANL Mk1 was a quite brilliant Popular Front initiative , which really had a major effect on British politics and culture (Rock against Racism particularly), but Renton's misrepresentation of "Squadism" and his hilarious claim that the ANL wasn't controlled by the SWP seriously damages his credentials as a "scholar".

I was on the North West Steering Committee of the ANL in 77 -79, and I think this was the only time I really felt part of a genuinely mass movement with national impact - and that even includes my time with AFA in its early formative years .

I think there is a better book to be written than Renton's on the ANL Mk1, because in one sense Renton is right in his poor book , It was , in my opinion, too the single time in the post war period that the (avowed anyway) revolutionary Left really connected with , and was a major force in, a real mass movement. Yes it was a limited single issue campaign, and the motives of the Labour politicians and celebrities who came on board in a big way were often self interested, but it really did head off a growth trend by the NF, and a dangerous growth of racism, and Nazi imagery usage in mass youth culture. (Fancy naming a band "Joy Division" or "Spandau Ballet" - so deeply distasteful as to make anyone aware of what these terms meant in the concentration camps, boke !)

Just an aside , but to demonstrate the problems with Popular Front work, I remember going round Asian owned businesses in manchester prior to the Manchester Alexandra Park ANL Carnival in 1978. We were collecting money widely - including from Jewish and Asian businesses, and I remember one Muslim businessman handing me a wodge of cash to fund the concert, with words to the effect that "of course he knew it was the Jews behind the NF !"... I politely said I really didn't think that was the case ... but he remained convinced. I took the cash anyway ! The Manchester Carnival was attended by 35,000 people - and both overnight beforehand and during the event was partly stewarded by the Manchester "Squad" of course)
 
Ayatollah! Hopefully the ‘malatesta’ book can help with the understanding of the ANL mk1, ‘squaddism’ and RAR in the section on the 1970s in more detail. We are looking for first person accounts, like in BtF, to back up the points being made. this makes the book much more readable and less abtract. 1 or 2 folks here have kindly agreed to contribute. The book will be a collaborative effort hopefully. just finishing the proposal and sample chapter over the weekend.
re: RAR. the influence on music and young punks was immense. the clash coming out onside was a huge moment for punks to decide what was what. The left really were strong then in places and we seemed to move from NF- right to work – riots- miners- battle of beanfield etc as a rebellious narrative in a relatively short space of time.

Agreed re: joy div, spandau etc. Sick. But there again Sidney Viscous in is swastika t-shirt etc. It was sort of the time for that crap.

Glad you took that blokes cash anyway!
 
A number of important issues raised here : The last point first - Yes indeedy, the SWP are the ultimate in opportunism - so their call for mobilisation in the East End is their usual game -BUT it's still important for the , mainly White, Left to turn out to support ethnic minorities when all-white fascists ( or proto fascists like the EDL) organise marches in their communities - even if just to prove wrong the Islamic extremist claim to young Islamic men that all non Muslims are their automatic enemies.

What I woefully neglected to mention was the liklehood that the UAF would make sure to seperate, indeed physically insulate, themselves from any possibility of direct conflict, or indeed contact with the EDL. Sure enough the counter-demo is called for Weavers Field smack bang in the middle of Bethnal Green, where they know the BNP would never be allowed.

In all likelehood the EDL will be bussed in via the City where it fringes Tower Hamlets. So if the young Asians want contact, or even sight of them that is where they will have to go. Needless to say if that is what they do the UAF will not be shoulder to shoulder with them. Which is the only possible way any mutual respect might emerge. However the local contempt for the Left is long established. In the early 1990's when the ANL was re-launched they decided to lealfet some estates in Bethnal Green. Ground already covered by AFA. C18 were waiting. AFA duly informed them of the risk. The incident is convered in the book, but they ploughed on anyway. Young Asians simply sniggered at the carnage that ensued.
 
Taking on board everything said about the opportunism and vicar-infested posturing current on anti racist/anti fascist mobilisations, all I can say after watching a number of bits of video footage of the EDL and Anti EDL demos in The East End today - including a quite good bit of video on the Socialist Worker Website - is that the EDL boneheads seemed to have a boring, drunken day, and got into scuffles with the police not the local community, and there did seem to be an encouragingly large, multi ethnic, series of demos/road blockings to occupy the key streets inside the borough against any EDL interlopers. OK , Lewisham, Battle of, it wasn't, but despite all the shortcomings in those organising the anti EDL opposition, I still think , and the cheerful multi ethnic crowd scenes on the film of the events suggests this is true, that it is a good thing for the Left to turn out to oppose racists , in solidarity with local communities.

One of the great hopes the EDL and BNP, etc, must have, for their political advancement , is that lots of Muslim youth get sidetracked into counter productive jihadist "adventures", plots, outrages, etc , which will then allow the EDL/BNP etc to pose themselves as defenders against "Muslim Terror". Solidarity action by the White Left, alongside Muslim Youth, however limited in scope, can surely only be a help in fighting the alienation from the Left, and White society generally, which leaves Muslim Youth prey to the siren voices of the jihadist extremists, and their mad fantasies. So I share the cynicism about the Left and liberal posturers on days like this, but all in all it appears to me to have still been a good day for anti-fascism.

AND NOW A MUCH CHEERING UPDATE:
Apparently Not entirely a "no contact" day for everyone in the East End though from this BBC News Website report on Sunday:-

A coach full of English Defence League supporters was pelted with missiles after it broke down in east London.
The coach was carrying 44 EDL members when it stopped in Mile End Road, Tower Hamlets.
About 100 Asian teenagers then pelted it with bricks and stones, according to a BBC reporter at the scene.
Police arrested all 44 EDL supporters, who were travelling from a protest in Aldgate earlier on Saturday. A double decker bus was used to evacuate them.
Police said there had already been one altercation with local youths after the vehicle stopped in Whitechapel Road and some passengers got off the coach.
They got back on board and the coach pulled away - but it later suffered a failure and ground to a halt.
BBC reporter Paraic O' Brien, who was on the scene, said nearly 100 local teenagers then attacked it with missiles.
He said the police were on the scene extremely quickly.
'Extremely tense'
The reporter said within a short space of time there were a number of riot vans and 200 police officers in the vicinity.
O'Brien said: "It was extremely tense and if that number of officers had not arrived it could have gone the other way and become a major incident."
The police commandeered a London bus and moved the EDL supporters onto it before escorting the bus east.
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The earlier demonstration was rowdy but major disorder was avoided
But a group of youths subsequently sat down in the middle of Mile End Road, blocking the bus and forcing it to stop.
At this point a large number of Asian men began arriving from a nearby estate.
The reporter said by then the situation had become very scary.
The police charged the youths and scuffles broke out.
Another group standing on a footbridge over the road threw bricks at the bus.
Police managed to clear the road and the bus left the area.
 
Critique of Matthew Collins's Hate by Malatesta.
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/
AFA/Red Action, Searchlight etc.

Cheers for that, Malatesta - interesting indeed. Still waiting for my copy to turn up, but look forward to reading it once I have it.

Talking of yer man, I was re-reading the old Red Action forum recently, and there's some choices comments from various factions on Collins' shenanigans in Australia - not much of it very edifying, it has to be said! - and his relationship with Tim Hepple during his BNP days. As for his Front days, there was a "debate" between a couple of fash as to how much of a "true patriot" Collins was. One poster insisted that he knew Collins well, and that he was Ian Anderson's unofficial number 2 during his time; the other was contemptuous of this, and was of the opinion that Collins was definitely not trusted during his time there. Who knows what the truth really is on that score, eh?
 
hello melly! there will always be rows over who did what when etc with the fash. however, as far as actual events go i cross referenced no retreat, bash the fash, BtF with Collins on some things - like when (O Farrell?) twunted Anderson at Hemel, Eddie Whicker wigging out in Stockport, Kensington library massacree and such like. this seems to be the best way for accurate research - and forget the individual boasts!
 
Cheers for that, Malatesta - interesting indeed. Still waiting for my copy to turn up, but look forward to reading it once I have it.

Talking of yer man, I was re-reading the old Red Action forum recently, and there's some choices comments from various factions on Collins' shenanigans in Australia - not much of it very edifying, it has to be said! - and his relationship with Tim Hepple during his BNP days. As for his Front days, there was a "debate" between a couple of fash as to how much of a "true patriot" Collins was. One poster insisted that he knew Collins well, and that he was Ian Anderson's unofficial number 2 during his time; the other was contemptuous of this, and was of the opinion that Collins was definitely not trusted during his time there. Who knows what the truth really is on that score, eh?

Whist its a bit of a mystery about what Collins got up to in Australia the stuff on the RA site ( also on the far right sites) about the attempt murder seems to be fake.
 
Whist its a bit of a mystery about what Collins got up to in Australia the stuff on the RA site ( also on the far right sites) about the attempt murder seems to be fake.

You know what - I'd (honestly) forgotten about the attempted murder thing. I was referencing more his apparent/alleged etc bonking sprees, general violence/aggro and throwing his weight around giving it the big "I am" - reminds me of some of the somewhat less-than-savoury stuff I've heard about "super-mole" Ray Hill, if anything. However, I'd certainly agree that the specific allegation you picked up on does come across by the sound of it as deliberate misinformation/stirring.
 
hello melly! there will always be rows over who did what when etc with the fash. however, as far as actual events go i cross referenced no retreat, bash the fash, BtF with Collins on some things - like when (O Farrell?) twunted Anderson at Hemel, Eddie Whicker wigging out in Stockport, Kensington library massacree and such like. this seems to be the best way for accurate research - and forget the individual boasts!

Hi M - yeah, that particular bunfight on the RA boards definitely smacked of "I'm more "nationalist" than you!" stuff. You've got me thinking re. the Whicker Man at Stockport - wasn't Messrs Pearce and Griffin with him, with Pearce kecking his breeks and Griffo apparently willing to "stand"?
 
Hi M - yeah, that particular bunfight on the RA boards definitely smacked of "I'm more "nationalist" than you!" stuff. You've got me thinking re. the Whicker Man at Stockport - wasn't Messrs Pearce and Griffin with him, with Pearce kecking his breeks and Griffo apparently willing to "stand"?

Big Nose was there
 
Hi M - yeah, that particular bunfight on the RA boards definitely smacked of "I'm more "nationalist" than you!" stuff. You've got me thinking re. the Whicker Man at Stockport - wasn't Messrs Pearce and Griffin with him, with Pearce kecking his breeks and Griffo apparently willing to "stand"?

one of the things that the malatesta book is hoping to deal with it is to get accounts from folk who were there - as non-partisan as possible- to clarify things hence the cross referencing. it is important that definitive accounts are published and an accurate record of militant antifascist history is recorded, eg, the account of kensington in BtF and in Hate are somewhat different. the body of work is far too small at the moment which we are hoping to clarify!
re: murder attempt. was this on collins? bit unclear on this. you got a link?
 
one of the things that the malatesta book is hoping to deal with it is to get accounts from folk who were there - as non-partisan as possible- to clarify things hence the cross referencing. it is important that definitive accounts are published and an accurate record of militant antifascist history is recorded, eg, the account of kensington in BtF and in Hate are somewhat different. the body of work is far too small at the moment which we are hoping to clarify!
re: murder attempt. was this on collins? bit unclear on this. you got a link?

On the murder thing, I've just managed to find the thread in question on the RA forum: http://www.redaction.org/forum/show...37b7844&threadid=1212&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 (Scroll down to the post made by "Hot To Trot", and then seeing the posts that follow)
 
Different how?
joe, in Hate, AFA are 'antifascists' and the 'hero of the hour' was Gable (p241-2). in BtF AFA are called by name for a start and discusses the trial of Gable and O Shea (285) in a wee bit more depth. this is what i mean by 'searchlight line.' see:
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/review-of-hate-by-matthew-collins/
and also what i mean by saying 'it is important that definitive accounts are published and an accurate record of militant antifascist history is recorded.' We need to record our own history but we also need to record it accurately. BtF is hopefully the start of this. theres a lot of stories not documented.
 
On the murder thing, I've just managed to find the thread in question on the RA forum: http://www.redaction.org/forum/show...37b7844&threadid=1212&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 (Scroll down to the post made by "Hot To Trot", and then seeing the posts that follow)

thanks mate. on the thread cited Bert doesnt sound like he was too impressed with collins' fighting prowess. shall look further into it but the murder thing does sound a wee bit dodgy - like the owens/lecombover assasination thing.
 
joe, in Hate, the 'hero of the hour' was Gable (p241-2).[/quote]

But what I'm struggling with is if as is widely acknowledged by both sides, in terms of witness statements and anecdotal evidence on fash sites, that the 'anti-fascists' had complete control of events in the hall up until the point of departure, I'm inviting you to explain what it is Collins says gable did to deserve the mention in dispatches?

Ps is Collins claiming to have been present?
 
'But what I'm struggling with is if as is widely acknowledged by both sides, in terms of witness statements and anecdotal evidence on fash sites, that the 'anti-fascists' had complete control of events in the hall up until the point of departure, I'm inviting you to explain what it is Collins says gable did to deserve the mention in dispatches?
Ps is Collins claiming to have been present?

joe, he said he had gone there early then nicked off for a pint with whicker and when he came back it was in turmoil. collins agrees that AFA turned them over but just refers to them as antifascists which searchlight also do in things like white riot etc. he also forgets that o shea was up in the dock with GG. what bothers me is that AFA is being written out of history by Searchlight etc so it is important for AFA supporters to counter that and also publish our side. on another note, Hate is a good read!
 
'But what I'm struggling with is if as is widely acknowledged by both sides, in terms of witness statements and anecdotal evidence on fash sites, that the 'anti-fascists' had complete control of events in the hall up until the point of departure, I'm inviting you to explain what it is Collins says gable did to deserve the mention in dispatches?
Ps is Collins claiming to have been present?

joe, he said he had gone there early then nicked off for a pint with whicker and when he came back it was in turmoil. collins agrees that AFA turned them over but just refers to them as antifascists which searchlight also do in things like white riot etc. he also forgets that o shea was up in the dock with GG. what bothers me is that AFA is being written out of history by Searchlight etc so it is important for AFA supporters to counter that and also publish our side. on another note, Hate is a good read!

Having spoken to Matt Collins I can assure you he didn't forget anything about the man you mention.

Collins main point in his account re Gable is the league of st george grass shaking Gables hand , a story that has been repeated ad nauseum within the far right.

You might also wish to question as to why , aside form any possible legal issues over Mr X ( which were pretty much resolved many years ago in the legal settlement) the publication of the book was delayed.
 
joe, he said he had gone there early then nicked off for a pint with whicker and when he came back it was in turmoil. collins agrees that AFA turned them over but just refers to them as antifascists which searchlight also do in things like white riot etc. he also forgets that o shea was up in the dock with GG. what bothers me is that AFA is being written out of history by Searchlight etc so it is important for AFA supporters to counter that and also publish our side. on another note, Hate is a good read!
 
There was no sign of Whicker on the day. Some bones were trampled on the way out, and other than the injured inside, that was it. It would appear that Collins appeared after the anti-fascists had left.
You recomend it as a 'good read'. Presumably you mean that its entertaining. But if there are serious doubts about its veracity, which isn't that surprising considering who wrote it, it is no more valuable as an historical record, than the Hann/Tilzey fable.
 
Having spoken to Matt Collins I can assure you he didn't forget anything about the man you mention.

Collins main point in his account re Gable is the league of st george grass shaking Gables hand , a story that has been repeated ad nauseum within the far right.

You might also wish to question as to why , aside form any possible legal issues over Mr X ( which were pretty much resolved many years ago in the legal settlement) the publication of the book was delayed.

okay its just he didnt mention yer man in the book and as he was a key player in AFA/RA it seems a bit odd. i am very wary of 'stalinist airbrushing.' i hope yr meeting with collin was an endifying and enriching 1 sir!
 
There was no sign of Whicker on the day. Some bones were trampled on the way out, and other than the injured inside, that was it. It would appear that Collins appeared after the anti-fascists had left.
You recomend it as a 'good read'. Presumably you mean that its entertaining. But if there are serious doubts about its veracity, which isn't that surprising considering who wrote it, it is no more valuable as an historical record, than the Hann/Tilzey fable.

hi joe, i can only go on what collins said and cross refence with btf and any other account. he makes it sound like a right bloodbath, BtF less so. there is a problem between factual recording and the narrative demand to impress the reader - which is what we have to watch out for. i meant a good read as i stated in the review, a good read in the way that the best footy books are a good read, ie, handy for both toilet and public transport - tho i got a few odd looks on the bus reading a book with a swastika on the front. i cant remember if it was you who made the distinction beween 'political (auto)biography' of no retreat in comparison with BtF. Hate falls into the former.
 
i cant remember if it was you who made the distinction beween 'political (auto)biography' of no retreat in comparison with BtF. Hate falls into the former.

Yeah, that was me. However there is another distinction between BTF and the Searchlight -Collins/No Retreat productions. BTF sticks to the facts - the other two are proving to be rather more cavalier in that regard.
 
I've now finished reading "Hate", and whilst I can't say I was "there" by and large, there's one thing I'm going to mention: Collins at one point talks about going to a paper sale in Croydon in the late 80's, and helps defend the patch from "reds". Now I lived in Croydon up until mid-1993, and in all that time of regularly wandering around central Croydon on a Saturday, I only ever saw once some (very nervous-looking) bloke trying to flog an NF paper (it was 1990, I think, so prob. selling "The Flag"). He didn't hang around for long, as 15 minutes later I walked past the same place where he'd been, and he was no longer there.

The place in question (bottom end of George Street/top end of Church Street, just opposite Allders) used to have people occasionally selling Socialist Worker (and prob other "lefty" papers too), but I saw no trouble when they were around....and they never stuck around for that long, either..and I never saw any running battles, punch-ups etc whatsoever between fash and anti-fash, or heard of same, in all my time there.

My view? Sure, Collins may have well visited Croydon (to visit the NF branch etc) - he's correct in stating there was a "skinhead"/racist pub there (The Ship, just off Katherine St, thankfully long-closed) - but as for his claim that there was regular paper-selling/fighting action in Croydon - hmm, personally speaking, I don't buy that one.

Any other Croydoners/ex-Croydoners here I'm sure will have their own view on this one - be interested to hear what they reckon...
 
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