belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
hmmm, I do think that they failed to make her unidentifiable, and thats their bad, but claiming everything must be exactly true because of five words on a screen briefly, well, thats bullshit.
Baby Reindeer (Netflix)
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As posted previously above those could be the most expensive two words in TV history. 'Based on'.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
but they won't be. Who the fuck believes that stories introduced with the words 'based on' is 100% true? Not a sod.
Lawyers do
story
Changing the facts
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
They really dont. A moment's thought should make you realise this.
There’s no such thing as a “true story” in the completely literal sense. All stories are told from a particular perspective, giving the circumstances as they are or were experienced by particular people. Furthermore, this story was self-evidently not an attempt to impart literal fact, because names and locations and life histories and social networks were all transparently altered (and, indeed, completely invented). So it comes down to what the audience can be expected to infer from “true story”. Personally, I inferred that it provided an emotionally real description of how a particular real incident of stalking was experienced by a particular real individual, but I did not infer that Martha was truly a lawyer, truly went to jail, truly walked after him down that specific canal or truly heckled him during the final of that specific comedy competition.
Well then don't preface it with 'This is a True Story'. I dont think you need to be a lawyer to get the semantics around that. When it's mostly fiction.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Are you actually this fucking stupid?
Lol... She's got one of the biggest law firms in the US taking on one of the biggest broadcasters in the US. For an astronomical sum. Do you really think they would have taken on the case unless it was cast iron?
Can you read? Just checking.
Can you see the difference between 'This is a true story' and 'This is based on a true story'? Cmon Einstein...
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Well, yes. They're almost certainly expecting Netflix to settle for a not-insignificant sum, but still a small fraction of what they've asked for. That's pretty standard from the entertainment law handbook. Whether they think it would actually fly in court is almost inconsequential.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Of course lawyers only ever take cases that are ‘cast iron’. Definitely none of them ever take a case on a hope and a chance or anything of the kind.
Did you think it was all literally true exactly as presented? Did anyone? Did they even pretend it to be the case, those words aside?
If it was a “true story” in the narrow definition you’re applying, then who was Donny? He never existed in real life. And he’s the main character.
Law does not operate on the basis of little logical games and semantics. It operates on the basis of how a reasonable person would interpret the situation. I’ll be amazed if anybody out there thought that it all literally happened as shown on the screen, regardless of any words that preface it.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Richard Gadd, the actor who created "Baby Reindeer," has shared in a court filing a selection of the abusive, explicit emails and voicemails that he claims Fiona Harvey, the woman said to have inspired his popular Netflix show, sent him over a three-year period.
www.businessinsider.com
'Baby Reindeer' actor Richard Gadd shared 'sexually explicit, violent, and derogatory' emails he says Fiona Harvey sent him. Here are 6 key takeaways from the court filing.
In a court filing, "Baby Reindeer" actor and creator Richard Gadd released emails he claimed Fiona Harvey sent him as evidence that she stalked him.
www.businessinsider.com
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
I think most people would have thought that she really was a convicted criminal.
They didn't change enough about her, except, it seems, that part. Not that I have much sympathy with someone who stalked him to the extent she did, which does seem to be based on fact.
Even if it’s true that most would have assumed that the unnamed woman behind the story was indeed a convicted criminal, it’s hard to see how that one element alone comprises material harm to her reputation. The written testimony is damming enough that the existence or not of actual jail time becomes somewhat moot.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
Is the media person/producer/writer or whatever he is who was depicted doing the drug and rape thing still slinking about incognito while people mutter about it being a well known dirty secret, or has anyone come forward to expose him yet?
ETA (Understand why that might be difficult to come forward as someone who he has forced himself on/groomed and be first on the parapet so to speak, and those who haven't experienced it first hand are just going on hearsay and would not be admissible evidence - but I do hope people start to come forward with complaints about this person if they haven't already done so).
ETA (Understand why that might be difficult to come forward as someone who he has forced himself on/groomed and be first on the parapet so to speak, and those who haven't experienced it first hand are just going on hearsay and would not be admissible evidence - but I do hope people start to come forward with complaints about this person if they haven't already done so).
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bcuster
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Judge Rules ‘Baby Reindeer’ Was Not a ‘True Story,’ Allows Real Martha to Sue Netflix
A judge on Friday refused to dismiss Fiona Harvey's lawsuit claiming she was falsely portrayed on the Netflix series 'Baby Reindeer.'
variety.com
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Baby Reindeer is still on my 'to watch' list, but I've read that the male lead was stalked in real life and based the show on his experiences. And I've also read that his real life stalker was outed and subsequently decided to sue.Judge Rules ‘Baby Reindeer’ Was Not a ‘True Story,’ Allows Real Martha to Sue Netflix
A judge on Friday refused to dismiss Fiona Harvey's lawsuit claiming she was falsely portrayed on the Netflix series 'Baby Reindeer.'
I don't recall reading about this previously:
"The Sunday Times reported in June that Gadd had reservations about including the line “This is a true story,” but that it was included at Netflix’ request."
Which is incredible. And might prove very costly for them, given how the storyline apparently diverges from reality in very significant ways, ie portrayals of her as a criminal when she apparently hasn't been prosecuted or convicted.
Why on earth did they say it was a true story?
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Probably to attract people like me, who like true stories - because life is stranger than fiction...
A dick move in this case, and it's going to cost Netflix!!! I'd have gone with 'inspired by true events' as so many movies/series go with.I'm still at a loss regarding the drug/rape man - I'm thinking that actually happened and yet... All the focus is on the female stalker?!? Why?
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
Because it was easy to find out who she was, even for someone who had zero knowledge of anyone involved.
By contrast, only insiders will have an idea who the drug/rape man might be. But even they might be wrong, and whether right or wrong, it would be foolish to say things without evidence that could end up costing them a lot of money in a court of law.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And?Judge Rules ‘Baby Reindeer’ Was Not a ‘True Story,’ Allows Real Martha to Sue Netflix
A judge on Friday refused to dismiss Fiona Harvey's lawsuit claiming she was falsely portrayed on the Netflix series 'Baby Reindeer.'
Can you ever expand on your links?
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Netflix is going to get sued
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
How so?
bcuster
Well-Known Member
The story has been ruled as a fictionalized, slanderous version of a recognizable real person who is not a celebrity or in any other way exempt from public criticism
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Who such person has suffered real harm thereby giving said person standing to sue. Netflix would probably not win a motion for summary judgment of dismissal
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