Baby Reindeer (Netflix)
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krtek a houby
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I have very little sympathy for the abusers portrayed in the series
bcuster
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It was a tough series to watch
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
It certainly was
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I thought the show was great (wouldn't say i 'enjoyed' it though).
I don't have much sympathy for how either character was depicted if even 1/5 of what was on screen was an accurate depiction. I do worry that Gadd might not have had sufficient therapeutic/psychological support from Netflix while making the show though.
I don't have much sympathy for how either character was depicted if even 1/5 of what was on screen was an accurate depiction. I do worry that Gadd might not have had sufficient therapeutic/psychological support from Netflix while making the show though.
I still can't believe the guy won an Emmy or whatever when it's fairly obvious it's a pile of bullshit. Still, Netflix has deep pockets so can of course bear the almighty amount of money they're gonna have to pay out for omitting those two crucial words. It's not a true story.
Plumdaff
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The female stalker is poor and relatively powerless, and her outing doesn't implicate others.
editor
hiraethified
I'd say she managed to exert an enormous power and influence on the main character,
It's fiction though, you know that? He's a total liar. But if you treat it as as fictional drama then yes it was was ok. Not Emmy worthy, but not bad.
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hiraethified
Neither of us know how much was or wasn't true, so I've no idea why you're feeling empowered to speak so authoritatively on the subject.
And it clearly was Emmy worthy because it won four trophies.
Baby Reindeer, The Bear, Shogun and The Crown stars win at Emmys 2024
The hugely popular but highly contentious British TV hit wins four trophies in Los Angeles.
www.bbc.co.uk
Neither of us know how much was or wasn't true, so I've no idea why you're feeling empowered to speak so authoritatively on the subject.
And it clearly was Emmy worthy because it won four trophies.
Baby Reindeer, The Bear, Shogun and The Crown stars win at Emmys 2024
The hugely popular but highly contentious British TV hit wins four trophies in Los Angeles.www.bbc.co.uk
He claimed at the beginning and throughout the series that she had previous for stalking and been locked up. And then at the end claimed she was locked up for stalking him.
Neither of which are true. They're lies. That's been proven. It's just a matter of how much she gets out of it now, ironically.
A judge agrees. The reason she's trying it in the US is because she can take Netflix for a shitload more than she can here... Both parties are pretty odious really.
variety.com
Judge Rules ‘Baby Reindeer’ Was Not a ‘True Story,’ Allows Real Martha to Sue Netflix
A judge on Friday refused to dismiss Fiona Harvey's lawsuit claiming she was falsely portrayed on the Netflix series 'Baby Reindeer.'
variety.com
The judge agrees that the claim for emotional harm is not prima facie false. However, the judge also decided that all other claims were to be struck down before they even started. Including the claim for punitive damages. So at best, the claimant is trying to seek remediation for falsely labelled as an abuser who went to jail, rather than just as an abuser who didn’t go to jail. We’ll see what that brings, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see an award for nominal damages, maybe of $1.
See, it was a true story. It isn’t necessary for all details to be exactly as portrayed for the story to still be substantially accurate. He worked in a pub, where he met a woman who stalked and harassed him. That stalker was eventually warned off by the police. All that is true.
See, it was a true story. It isn’t necessary for all details to be exactly as portrayed for the story to still be substantially accurate. He worked in a pub, where he met a woman who stalked and harassed him. That stalker was eventually warned off by the police. All that is true.
It's a stone cold case. He lied. You would assume he would have had sign off on those opening words 'This is a true story'. When it patently isnt. One of the biggest law firms in the US is taking on one of the biggest streaming services in the US. They wouldn't be taking that on for $1. I'd be going after the Emmys as well for rewarding this nonsense.
Jesus. She was never sent to prison, either before or after she met this guy. Claims which are made throughout the series. She also didn't send 'thousands' of emails and text messages. It's fiction. If even the author admits it is then I can't see how Netflix can wriggle out of it.
Jesus. She was never sent to prison, either before or after she met this guy. Claims which are made throughout the series. She also didn't send 'thousands' of emails and text messages. It's fiction. If even the author admits it is then I can't see how Netflix can wriggle out of it.
And?
You seem to be under the bizarre impression that this one exaggeration is somehow worth a fortune to the poor, maligned stalker. Why? What is her loss, here? Did she have a great reputation that has now been tarnished? The judge has already ruled out punitive damages, so any award has to relate to her actual harm.
The law firm tried it on. They’ve played their hand and it’s a 7 and an 8. They can carry on playing it further but I don’t rate their chances of a big win at this point.
One 'exaggeration'? The whole series hinges around her previous criminal record and him winning in court and her being sent down at the end. Oh, and claiming 'This is a True Story'. No, it's not.
She has never been in prison, before or after. He's a Walter Mitty.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Is that really what you saw? Because it doesn't reflect what I saw at all. We all know you love a bit of oafish trolling, but this is DJT levels of removed from reality.
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hiraethified
No it doesn’t. Have you even seen it? It would be exactly the same story whether or not she had been previously sent down, or whether she ended up in jail again. They added that to make it more narratively satisfying, but it doesn’t really make much difference.
It is, though.
He was stalked, assaulted and relentlessly harassed. That all is true. To call him a Walter Mitty just because they changed some details is just bizarre.
Epona
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Despite having watched the entire series twice, I must have missed that episode. Twice.
Plumdaff
joy in people
Of course, but we were discussing why she had been identified when his male abuser hasn't, and his male abuser has access to institutional power and status in a way she does not.
scifisam
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I think it's also just that she was ridiculously easy to identify. He changed lots of what she did to him (making it significantly more serious) but didn't change anything about her except her name. It seems like he's changed more about the rapist.
Plumdaff
joy in people
I agree with with you, but wonder whether they were legally more worried about the male abuser than her so made more effort to obfuscate (unwisely as we've seen).
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Why are so many victims vilified and disbelieved?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Depends what you mean by "previous". She might not have had a criminal record for stalking but she had allegedly stalked before.
So in its colloquial definition, she may well have had "previous":
MP's widow who says she was stalked by real-life Martha 'to sue' Fiona Harvey
scifisam
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He might have successfully done that with the rapist, but he really didn't try with the stalker, and did actually bring other people into the spotlight that way.
It's pretty much impossible to have sympathy for the stalker, given what she did actually do (the thousands of emails and phone calls, which she doesn't seem to regret at all. They aren't trivial). But a major TV show really shouldn't be able to invent a sexual assault, invent a serious physical assault and add a criminal conviction and say it's "a true story." Even if we don't like the person concerned.
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