Bahnhof Strasse
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Isn't twentythreedom one of Urban's honored dead?
Sadly yes he died. Not sure why his death should make his opinion any less valid though?
Isn't twentythreedom one of Urban's honored dead?
Sadly yes he died. Not sure why his death should make his opinion any less valid though?
I thought maybe it was in poor taste, but this is Urban, and you are Bahnhof Strasse.
I really hope that's not how they are kept. As a photographer you will be aware that the old adage "the camera doesn't lie" isn't true. Lense size, framing, filters etc can all change how the photo turns out. I'm not saying that that photo has been deliberately manipulated but it doesn't show the whole picture.Are you happy with this kind of scene? Or do you think that maybe factory chicken farming should have higher standards of welfare, whatever the cost?
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Are you seriously suggesting a media outlet would deliberately manipulate a story in order to sell more newspapers? Preposterous!.Although there are rules as to the density chickens should be kept in you can't explain that to the chickens. Who's to say the other half of the shed isn't empty? It does say in the caption the chickens are scrabbling for food. If food has just been dispensed then the chickens will gather together to go after it. So just because that photo shows chickens densely packed doesn't mean that's how they are all the time.
Stocking density is mandated by law and they are inspected regularly.Unless you've visited ever broiler house in the UK I'm at a complete loss as to what your point is.
There's plenty of evidence for horrendous cruelty in factory farms e.g. Footage reveals chickens in 'horrifying conditions' at big UK producer
They won't "scrabble" they are fed ad lib on the feeders you can see stretching the length of the barn. They may scratch in the litter, but that's what chickens do.I really hope that's not how they are kept. As a photographer you will be aware that the old adage "the camera doesn't lie" isn't true. Lense size, framing, filters etc can all change how the photo turns out. I'm not saying that that photo has been deliberately manipulated but it doesn't show the whole picture.
Although there are rules as to the density chickens should be kept in you can't explain that to the chickens. Who's to say the other half of the shed isn't empty? It does say in the caption the chickens are scrabbling for food. If food has just been dispensed then the chickens will gather together to go after it. So just because that photo shows chickens densely packed doesn't mean that's how they are all the time.
Possibly, possibly not. The photographer may have had food thrown down to get a better picture. Or it could be that the photo is being misunderstood / taken out of context.Are you seriously suggesting a media outlet would deliberately manipulate a story in order to sell more newspapers? Preposterous!
But would they gather together if food was thrown on the floor?They won't "scrabble" they are fed ad lib on the feeders you can see stretching the length of the barn. They may scratch in the litter, but that's what chickens do.
Listening to the birdie song?
I don't suppose you have the teensiest, tiniest scrap of evidence to support this wild assertion? Anything at all?Possibly, possibly not. The photographer may have had food thrown down to get a better picture.
Does that make it OK in your book then?Stocking density is mandated by law and they are inspected regularly.
Does that make them emit more CO2?And, of course, there's plenty of graphic examples of farms maltreating animals.
Luckily there's plenty of cheap, nutritious alternatives, so they wouldn't have to go hungry.There are plenty of people who couldn't afford one chicken a week if the price doubled. Do you think this would be a good thing?
I think everyone should be allowed to eat meat if they want to. Feel free to take the factory farming bit up with the factory farmers.Luckily there's plenty of cheap, nutritious alternatives, so they wouldn't have to go hungry.
But let's put it another way: do you think factory farming - and all its inherent cruelty - should be allowed to continue just so a family can eat as much cheap chicken as they like?
I think everyone should be allowed to eat meat if they want to. Feel free to take the factory farming bit up with the factory farmers.
I answered it.Come on answer the question as it's directly related to your point. Do you think factory farming - and all its inherent cruelty - should be allowed to continue just so a family can eat as much cheap chicken as they like?
You haven't got any answers. Only pathetic excuses for the inexcusable. I'm putting you on ignore for a week because it's like arguing with a drunk, lying child.I answered it.
They might, but I'd say its unlikely - those chickens look nearly fully grown (chickens are stocked as day olds into the required space for adults and they grow into it, as it were) so:But would they gather together if food was thrown on the floor?
The sort of people who'd be cruel to animals will be cruel to humans. Human freedom, animal rights - one struggle, one fightAs a kid I was very upset when I found out about the conditions battery hens live in etc.
Then I found out about the shit conditions for most humans as I got older. And the massively shitter ones that rapid climate change will cause... millions suffering and dying, mass population extinctions etc.
Quite right to keep the animal rights aspect seperate. Bearing the above ^ in mind I cant say I give a shit about some chickens in a barn...
Interestingly, the supermarkets purport to speak for the consumer because they collect so much data on purchases - Tescos were light years ahead with clubcards, which log your shop and analyse it based on the information you gave them when you took the card.Might be worth taking that up with the supermarkets, seeing as the consumer has no control over it.
I'd say price and profit are the deciding factors. Twice as much space per chicken means twice the price or half the profit (Well, for the farmer) and when your competitor won't be going down the same route...Interestingly, the supermarkets purport to speak for the consumer because they collect so much data on purchases - Tescos were light years ahead with clubcards, which log your shop and analyse it based on the information you gave them when you took the card.
They compare purchase information to focus group findings. The interesting thing as far as poultry is concerned is that focus groups consistently say that people want higher welfare chicken and would be willing to pay more for it, but purchase data says that price is still the deciding factor.
Depends what you mean though, doesn't it?The sort of people who'd be cruel to animals will be cruel to humans. Human freedom, animal rights - one struggle, one fight
Higher welfare chicken commands a premium and is often slightly more profitable per unit - however, it is more volatile as a market because as soon as there's a downturn, people abandon it and the market is oversupplied.I'd say price and profit are the deciding factors. Twice as much space per chicken means twice the price or half the profit (Well, for the farmer) and when your competitor won't be going down the same route...