You know that's not how it works. Produce official figures from an official source to back up your claims.
So you really can't find anything? Oh dear.
Well, yes. But Saul is disputing this and Funky Monks downplaying it, despite neither having any anything to back up their opinions with.
Agreed. But a large amount of beef does come from industrial farms. I've already posted up links and videos.
sustainablefoodtrust.org
www.eating-better.org
40% of UK pork is produced on outdoor systems. Happy to help.
Nobody has actually said that most broilers aren't produced in intensive systems. Furthermore, Iposted at length about the pig and poultry sectors needed to change in my posts amongst all that obfuscation that you couldn't be arsed to read. Read the posts - you said, amongst the same massive thread spam that the same applies to beef, which is not true.In the hope that it will finally sink in
We need to talk about chicken: New report highlights the problems with intensive chicken production | Sustainable Food Trust
A new report from the Eating Better alliance has highlighted the massive, but often hidden, costs associated with eating intensively produced chicken in the UK.
The report came from this organisation, who are clearly neither 'veganists' (sigh) or Guardian writers.
Eating Better
Eating Better is a movement for change of sixty organisations working to accelerate the transition from producing and eating too much meat and dairy to a fairer, healthier and more sustainable food system that is better for animal welfare and for nature.
Im not disputing it, as I said previously, I'm asking you to back up your claims with evidence from credible sources. It's how these things work. You make a claim and you back it up with actual evidence.
Hahaha! What a laughable swivel!
I never disputed it, I simply asked you to use credible sources.
How is that me denying anything?
Not read by anyone on this thread anyway
That's outdoor bred, though, no?
Its got pluses and minuses - like evything else on here, its complex. Sows outdoors are allowed to farrow pretty "naturally" in bedded arks (usually straw) with access to the outside (usually on split, electric fenced paddocks).
I've pretty much given up piggy products due to the deal they get. The best any supermarket does round here is "outdoor bred", which doesn't offer much better quality of life at all from what I've read.
I used to bang my head on the similar larou hanging to cure over the fires of the diminutive Sichuanese farmers we worked with to general hilarity, which being vegan and foreign added toInteresting piece that, although I predict the veganists won't get past the first paragraph!
60% of pigs in the UK are confined in farrowing crates for weeks at a time.As in the pigs have the choice of being outside all or most of the time?
It's a vile, cruel and hideous practice, particularly given a pig's intelligence and curiosity, yet it's something that some posters here seem reluctant to condemn or criticise.
As usual littlebabyjesus doesn't know what he's talking about. It is of course 58% of female pigs not 60% of all pigs. Never trust a word he says without checking his facts as he is so very often mistaken
It's still a huge amount of pigs being subjected to horrendous cruelty.
Oh yes. But you can't trust littlebabyjesus to give you the facts, he hasn't managed to transfer them from his link to his post. I wouldn't trust his word on what day of the week it is without checking another source.
My grandfather always kept 2 pigs, one outside that had its own inside house, and one in pieces in a barrel of salt. I wish all pigs could be kept this way, but I'm not keeper of the pigs, so I have no say in the matter.
As in the pigs have the choice of being outside all or most of the time?
