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Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

More unspeakable horrors from the meat trade:


Another benefit of Brexit:

 
I think you suggesting that other posters are suffering mental health problems - and then insulting them with made up words - just to try and win an online argument is pretty much beyond the fucking pale, actually.
FFS I wasn't doing it to win an argument I was doing it out of concern for your well-being. :(
 
FFS I wasn't doing it to win an argument I was doing it out of concern for your well-being. :(
This new "B12 button" you think you've found to press is pretty weird and pathetic tbh!
Why do you think vegis are "loons" btw?
 
I don't. Some of you are acting like conspiraloons but with a 1 track agenda hence vegi + loon. There are several vegetarian posters on here I have no problem with whatsoever.
In what way is anyone acting like a conspiraloon? Could you provide an example?
 
In what way is anyone acting like a conspiraloon? Could you provide an example?
I already have, several times. The latest being to disprove the "most meat is intensively reared" when the actual figures show it's only 0.4% of beef that's reared that way. Or your assertion from some time back that all sheep are reared in barns for which the boards rightly took the piss out of you. Stop taking any shit you read on the net as gospel and spreading it as troof.
 
I already have, several times. The latest being to disprove the "most meat is intensively reared" when the actual figures show it's only 0.4% of beef that's reared that way. Or your assertion from some time back that all sheep are reared in barns for which the boards rightly took the piss out of you. Stop taking any shit you read on the net as gospel and spreading it as troof.

"most meat is intensively reared" and "only 0.4% of beef is intensively reared" are compatible statements dipshit
 
I already have, several times. The latest being to disprove the "most meat is intensively reared" when the actual figures show it's only 0.4% of beef that's reared that way. Or your assertion from some time back that all sheep are reared in barns for which the boards rightly took the piss out of you. Stop taking any shit you read on the net as gospel and spreading it as troof.
How does that make the poster a "loon"?
Pardon? Where did I make that claim? I did not and you are mistaken! I'd appreciate an apology for that
What am I spreading as "troof"?
 
I am eating a lot more fish nowadays instead of meat. It feels like it’s better for me health wise, but I’m guessing from an environmental POV it’s still terrible.

Arguably worse given how little we understand ocean ecosystems, and how destructive some fishing techniques can be.
 
FFS I wasn't doing it to win an argument I was doing it out of concern for your well-being. :(
Stop this pathetic gaslighting immediately. Trying to belittle other posters' arguments with fabricated claims of mental health problems is not acceptable.
 
I already have, several times. The latest being to disprove the "most meat is intensively reared" when the actual figures show it's only 0.4% of beef that's reared that way.
Here's the actual figures for intensively reared meat:

"In 1966, the United States, United Kingdom and other industrialized nations, commenced factory farming of beef and dairy cattle and domestic pigs.

From its American and West European heartland, intensive animal farming became globalized in the later years of the 20th century and is still expanding and replacing traditional practices of stock rearing in an increasing number of countries. In 1990 intensive animal farming accounted for 30% of world meat production and by 2005 this had risen to 40%

Intensive production of livestock and poultry is widespread in developed nations. For 2002–2003, FAO estimates of industrial production as a percentage of global production were 7 percent for beef and veal, 0.8 percent for sheep and goat meat, 42 percent for pork, and 67 percent for poultry meat. Industrial production was estimated to account for 39 percent of the sum of global production of these meats and 50 percent of total egg production.[21] In the U.S., according to its National Pork Producers Council, 80 million of its 95 million pigs slaughtered each year are reared in industrial settings!"


And in the UK, the trend is increasing:

"Most intensive farms in the UK are poultry farms, our analysis has shown. They make up 86% of the total numbers of permit-holding farms.

Between 2011 and 2017 there was a 27% increase in permit-holding poultry farms across the UK.

Overall, the number of large intensive farms - pig and poultry - with an Environment Agency permit in the UK is currently 1,674 - an increase of 26% since 2011 when there were 1,332 facilities requiring a permit. The figures are as of July 2017 for Scotland, March 2017 for England, and Northern Ireland and January 2016 for Wales.

Some areas of the UK saw particularly sharp rises: in Northern Ireland the number of pig and poultry factory farms has increased by 68% from 154 in 2011 to 259 in 2017."

 
Arguably worse given how little we understand ocean ecosystems, and how destructive some fishing techniques can be.

And from a welfare perspective, fish have zero legal protections. They all die agonising deaths. Increasingly also being reared in giant torture farms like this

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Which also require further depletion of the oceans to feed the carnivorous fish.
 
Damned if I do, dammed if I don’t... :D

I have to say I’m one of those not particularly bothered by mass slaughter of animals for food... it’s the resource management and long-term environmental impacts that troubles me. And I think ocean ecosystems are a particularly egregious side of that, just less visible than something like deforestation in Brazil etc.
 
I have to say I’m one of those not particularly bothered by mass slaughter of animals for food... it’s the resource management and long-term environmental impacts that troubles me. And I think ocean ecosystems are a particularly egregious side of that, just less visible than something like deforestation in Brazil etc.
I honestly find it troubling how any human can not be particularly bothered by the horrendous, brutal cruelty in factory farming.
 
The question isn’t no meat vs the worst of industrial agriculture though.
But a huge percentage of meat eaten comes from industrial production and a relatively small amount of people can afford to pay the extra premium that comes with better conditions. And it's not like things are getting much better.
 
I already have, several times. The latest being to disprove the "most meat is intensively reared" when the actual figures show it's only 0.4% of beef that's reared that way. Or your assertion from some time back that all sheep are reared in barns for which the boards rightly took the piss out of you. Stop taking any shit you read on the net as gospel and spreading it as troof.
Link to the post you are claiming I made about sheep in barns or an apology/retraction please
 
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