Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

[Johnny Vodka]

Whey-faced, oat milk-slupring, hairshirt-attired martyrdom is deeply unattractive, and probably puts people off the message just as much as lardarses on two burgers a day or Texans who eat steak for breakfast.

Just a case of finding some good veggie recipes. While eating a steak on Sunday, I was thinking the stuffed mushroom I had the previous night was much better. Think I might soon cut from eating meat/ fish twice a week to eating it just once a week.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Eating meat every day is normal. I once knew someone who only ate meat, bread and potatoes. Now that's not normal.

No ice cream and brownies for pud?

 

[editor]

Same here. It's not a proper meal if it doesn't have meat or dairy, as far as I'm concerned.

What a bizarre statement. There absolutely no scientific reason why, say, a veggie meat pie and chips wouldn't fill you up just as much as a meat one.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Whey-faced, oat milk-slupring, hairshirt-attired martyrdom is deeply unattractive

Whey aint vegan mate, and oat-milk slurping is fucking sexy.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What a bizarre statement. There absolutely no scientific reason why, say, a veggie meat pie and chips wouldn't fill you up just as much as a meat one.

fwiw there's plenty of evidence that a higher-fat, lower-carb diet can make you feel full sooner and for longer. It's a basis of the keto diet. Not only meat will do that, but meat certainly can fulfil that role.

 

[Orang Utan]

Same here. It's not a proper meal if it doesn't have meat or dairy, as far as I'm concerned. Veggies just don't fill me up properly, and I get hungry again sooner. Carbs are similar.

Then you’re an idiot AND a fussy eater

 

[NoXion]

What a bizarre statement. There absolutely no scientific reason why, say, a veggie meat pie and chips wouldn't fill you up just as much as a meat one.

The stomach is kind of like the (poetic notion of the) heart. It's an organ that feels rather than thinks. That's my experience, and I think it's borne out by observation. Everyone knows that if they want to lose weight, they should eat less. Yet we're currently living through an obesity crisis. That should be enough to establish that in the tug of war between the belly and brain, the former has a distinct advantage over the latter.

 

[WouldBe]

Were you not taught this at school?

Depends where and when you were taught. When I did O'level biology a balanced diet was supposed to contain meat/dairy, veg and carbs in equal measure.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Just a case of finding some good veggie recipes. While eating a steak on Sunday, I was thinking the stuffed mushroom I had the previous night was much better. Think I might soon cut from eating meat/ fish twice a week to eating it just once a week.

There are also of course lots of ways to incorporate meat into your diet. You can have a steak once a week. Why not? Or you can distribute the same grams of meat across a bunch of meals by including smaller amounts in stews, stir fries, pasta dishes, soups, etc.

'I eat some meat every day' covers a very wide range of diets.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The stomach is kind of like the (poetic notion of the) heart. It's an organ that feels rather than thinks. That's my experience, and I think it's borne out by observation. Everyone knows that if they want to lose weight, they should eat less. Yet we're currently living through an obesity crisis. That should be enough to establish that in the tug of war between the belly and brain, the former has a distinct advantage over the latter.

Your gut contains more than 100 million nerve cells, and is wired up directly to the brain stem. It directly controls a lot about how you feel in your relationships with food.

Your gut is directly connected to your brain, by a newly discovered neuron circuit

 

[Flavour]

No.

You in a nutshell really

 

[editor]

The stomach is kind of like the (poetic notion of the) heart. It's an organ that feels rather than thinks. That's my experience, and I think it's borne out by observation.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

 

[editor]

fwiw there's plenty of evidence that a higher-fat, lower-carb diet can make you feel full sooner and for longer. It's a basis of the keto diet. Not only meat will do that, but meat certainly can fulfil that role.

And so can veggie food so your pro-meat post is, as is often the case, completely pointless.

 

[editor]

Your gut contains more than 100 million nerve cells, and is wired up directly to the brain stem. It directly controls a lot about how you feel in your relationships with food.

Your gut is directly connected to your brain, by a newly discovered neuron circuit

And here we go. The actual evidence

Sorry Carnivores, This Study Says Vegetables Fill You Up More Than Meat

Science says that hamburger just isn’t going to hit the spot.

www.vice.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

In a strong sense, it is literally true, as it happens. Frrom that article I linked to.

Even though these neurons are outside the brain, they perfectly fit the definition of reward neurons that drive motivation and increase pleasure

Science, ain't it marvellous.

 

[editor]

In a strong sense, it is literally true, as it happens. Frrom that article I linked to.



Science, ain't it marvellous.

Yes it is. Just look what those neurons are saying:

It is somewhat contrary to the widespread belief that one ought to consume a large amount of protein because it increases satiety more. Now, something suggests that one can eat a fiber-rich meal, with less protein, and achieve the same sensation of fullness."

Sorry Carnivores, This Study Says Vegetables Fill You Up More Than Meat

Science says that hamburger just isn’t going to hit the spot.

www.vice.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes it is. Just look what those neurons are saying:

Interesting, yes. I was talking about fat rather than protein, but that is an interesting result.

 

[ddraig]

The stomach is kind of like the (poetic notion of the) heart. It's an organ that feels rather than thinks. That's my experience, and I think it's borne out by observation. Everyone knows that if they want to lose weight, they should eat less. Yet we're currently living through an obesity crisis. That should be enough to establish that in the tug of war between the belly and brain, the former has a distinct advantage over the latter.

Does it not feel empathy for other living things (with eyes, before a smart arse comes along to say "plants are living things so ner") that also don't want to die?

 

[ddraig]

There are also of course lots of ways to incorporate meat into your diet. You can have a steak once a week. Why not? Or you can distribute the same grams of meat across a bunch of meals by including smaller amounts in stews, stir fries, pasta dishes, soups, etc.

'I eat some meat every day' covers a very wide range of diets.

Why not??
Because you don't need it and a cow has to suffer then die for it (I know you're fine with this), that's a good reason why not

 

[editor]

Interesting, yes. I was talking about fat rather than protein, but that is an interesting result.

It certainly rubbishes any nonsense claim that you need meat to feel particularly full, that's for sure.

 

[ddraig]

Like many of their other claims that are never backed up and then avoided

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Why not??
Because you don't need it and a cow has to suffer then die for it (I know you're fine with this), that's a good reason why not

“A cow has to die” is right at the bottom of my reasons to avoid meat. I am perfectly, absolutely, 100% fine with the concept of an animal having to die for my food.

The arguments around industrial farming, cruelty, environmental impact, consumption reduction etc, fine, there’s a debate to be had there. But killing for food as a basic starting point? I’m good with that.

 

[ddraig]

Well done for reminding everyone! Give yourself a pat on the head

 

[WouldBe]

Were you not taught this at school?

According to A balanced diet - Diet - GCSE Biology (Single Science) Revision - BBC Bitesize although it doesn't specifically mention meat it does show it in the eatwell plate picture.

 

[editor]

“A cow has to die” is right at the bottom of my reasons to avoid meat. I am perfectly, absolutely, 100% fine with the concept of an animal having to die for my food.

The arguments around industrial farming, cruelty, environmental impact, consumption reduction etc, fine, there’s a debate to be had there. But killing for food as a basic starting point? I’m good with that.

Yes, but the majority of food does come from industrial farming and you can't just detach the 'cruelty, environmental impact, consumption reduction etc' from the equation. Its part of the package,

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Well done for reminding everyone! Give yourself a pat on the head

One from a cow preferably.

 

[editor]

According to A balanced diet - Diet - GCSE Biology (Single Science) Revision - BBC Bitesize although it doesn't specifically mention meat it does show it in the eatwell plate picture.

Is that the best you can come up with? A simplistic guide written for children?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is that the best you can come up with? A simplistic guide written for children?

I think that's a decent starting point for working out 'what you are taught at school'.

fwiw, and bearing in mind that I was at school before GCSEs, I don't remember even being taught that much. Don't remember anything about nutrition in O-level biology at all.

 

[ddraig]

priceless scraping of the barrel today!!

 

[Saul Goodman]

priceless scraping of the barrel today!!

It was the only way to find your posts.