Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

[Spymaster]

Ah, the “call people who disagree with you ‘fundamentalist’” gambit. Classic.

It's certainly not the first word that springs to my mind to describe you either!

 

[Saul Goodman]

It's certainly not the first word that springs to my mind to describe you either!

But it is probably the only one you won't get a warning for.
Funny, though, how certain people appear to be exempt from such warnings.

 

[8ball]

Ah, the “call people who disagree with you ‘fundamentalist’” gambit. Classic.

Have you renounced fundamentalism now (not that I recall an admission in those words as such, lbj might be referring to a thread where we were discussing the value of life that you may recall)?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Have you renounced fundamentalism now (not that I recall an admission in those words as such, lbj might be referring to a thread where we were discussing the value of life that you may recall)?

Gotta love a loaded question.

 

[8ball]

Gotta love a loaded question.

Ok, the initial phrasing was unfortunate (trying to work on that, I've absorbed the u75 "house style" a little too much, maybe).

I take it then that you wouldn't see the word 'fundamentalist' as appropriate to any parts of your belief system (might be worth finding that other thread if this is going to wind up going into detail)?

Not looking for a 'gotcha', just clears up the "Jeff admits to being a fundamentalist" thing.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

This thread is pissing me off; it is generating a million reports and 90% of it is just people slagging each other off. I'm a blink away from just closing it if nobody can be arsed to do anything but fight.

Here's a tip: is your post about another poster on the thread? If so, don't post it. No it doesn't matter what they said. Need me to clarify how that rule works? Post it and see if you get a ban.

 

[8ball]

This thread is pissing me off; it is generating a million reports and 90% of it is just people slagging each other off. I'm a blink away from just closing it if nobody can be arsed to do anything but fight.

Here's a tip: is your post about another poster on the thread? If so, don't post it. No it doesn't matter what they said.

A million reports on whether Jeff ever admitted to being a fundamentalist?

Because if not, it might be an idea to ditch any reports relating to posts before #818, because no one seems to be fighting right now, and you can just keep an eye out for the next person to make things personal.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

so there's one thread ban

 

[nogojones]

I think you'll find it's you that's pathetic.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Should temporarily not having meat on a menu really cause such a big stir (providing the meal is otherwise balanced)?

Meatless school menu sparks political row in France | France | The Guardian

 

[Saul Goodman]

Should temporarily not having meat on a menu really cause such a big stir (providing the meal is otherwise balanced)?

Meatless school menu sparks political row in France | France | The Guardian

Would you be asking the same if all they served was burgers?

 

[platinumsage]

Should temporarily not having meat on a menu really cause such a big stir (providing the meal is otherwise balanced)?

Meatless school menu sparks political row in France | France | The Guardian

"...pointing out that the temporary menus are not vegetarian, but contain fish and eggs"

So they're serving fish to vegetarian kids?

 

[ddraig]

Should temporarily not having meat on a menu really cause such a big stir (providing the meal is otherwise balanced)?

Meatless school menu sparks political row in France | France | The Guardian

No it shouldn't but farming lobbies are big and tend to be intertwined with governments (as well as "traditional values") and the debate is a tad "prehistoric" as Barbara Pompili states

In a rare display of disagreement within the cabinet, however, the environment minister, Barbara Pompili, said on a visit to a school canteen on Monday that schools should offer a daily vegetarian menu option and called the Lyon debate “prehistoric”.

Pompili said that while many people assumed “children from less privileged backgrounds eat less meat, research shows the opposite”. The health minister, Olivier Véran, also said he did not find a menu with neither meat nor fish shocking.

 

[Orang Utan]

Meat eaters can eat vegetarian food but not vice versa. Not sure why people find that hard to grasp

 

[ddraig]

Meat eaters can eat vegetarian food but not vice versa. Not sure why people find that hard to grasp

Because (mostly) people just want to do what they want to do without thinking or "intervention" by others, especially governments etc
How dare anyone, anyone suggest they could (not even should) make changes for the greater good
Also, meat and 2 veg is seen as "normal" so anyone even daring to suggest making different choices or have less reliance on "normal" and "traditional" things, especially food is a crank and trying to "enforce" their lifestyle on others
and that's before the fucking farmers get involved!

 

[Orang Utan]

Because (mostly) people just want to do what they want to do without thinking or "intervention" by others, especially governments etc
How dare anyone, anyone suggest they could (not even should) make changes for the greater good
Also, meat and 2 veg is seen as "normal" so anyone even daring to suggest making different choices or have less reliance on "normal" and "traditional" things, especially food is a crank and trying to "enforce" their lifestyle on others
and that's before the fucking farmers get involved!

Are there people who eat meat EVERY day?

 

[ddraig]

Are there people who eat meat EVERY day?

Course there are! They are red blooded and "normal"
Lots of people actually believe you can't live without meat

 

[ddraig]

This bit from the article would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic
Where did Covid19 come from ffs! and SARS etc

But resistance to any proposals to reduce meat consumption will be fierce from France’s powerful farming lobby. The Lyon decision was met with protest in the form of tractors, cows and goats paraded in front of the city hall. Banners proclaimed: “Meat from our fields = a healthy child” and “Stopping meat is a guarantee of weakness against future viruses”.

 

[Flavour]

Are there people who eat meat EVERY day?

Quite a lot actually. The average American eats 100kg of meat a year, which is roughly equivalent to eating at 2 meals out of 3 per day, every day (assuming a portion size of around 100 grams, which is quite a lot).

Which countries eat the most meat?

Many in the West say they are trying to cut down on meat, but the reality is a different story.

www.bbc.com

 

[Orang Utan]

Blimey, their bowels must be in a state

 

[editor]

Are there people who eat meat EVERY day?

I definitely met more than a few people like that.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well those people should not have any influence on policy - children need a balanced diet to thrive in life.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well those people should not have any influence on policy - children need a balanced diet to thrive in life.

It's a normal thing for many people to have meat at least once a day if not twice. It doesn't have to dominate every meal, however, and the idea that children don't thrive on diets that include some meat every day is as silly as the idea that children need meat.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's a normal thing for many people to have meat at least once a day if not twice. It doesn't have to dominate every meal, however, and the idea that children don't thrive on diets that include some meat every day is as silly as the idea that children need meat.

Eating meat in every meal or even every day is not a balanced diet. And we need to be encouraging everyone to eat less meat. Surly even meat eaters realise this apart from some bonkers Peterson types

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Eating meat in every meal or even every day is not a balanced diet.

And this is based on...

 

[ddraig]

And this is based on...

Your posts are based on....

 

[Orang Utan]

And this is based on...

Eating any type of food all of the time is not balanced by definition

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Right ok. Not based on anything then.

 

[editor]

And this is based on...

Ceratinly there's plenty of medical advice to cut back on the someone's daily red meat intake:

One of our Cancer Prevention Recommendations is to eat no more than moderate amounts of red meat, such as beef, pork and lamb, and eat little, if any, processed meat.

• If you eat red meat, limit consumption to no more than about three portions per week. Three portions is equivalent to about 350–500g (about 12–18oz) cooked weight. Consume very little, if any, processed meat.

Limit red and processed meat - WCRF International

One of our Cancer Prevention Recommendations is to eat no more than moderate amounts of red meat, such as beef, pork and lamb, and eat little, if any, processed meat.

www.wcrf.org

 

[editor]

And here:

Red and processed meats do increase health risks. In spite of what the Annals of Internal Medicine study suggests, Dr. Hu says that an accumulated body of evidence shows a clear link between high intake of red and processed meats and a higher risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and premature death. "The evidence is consistent across different studies," he says.

But the key word here is "high." Dr. Hu points out that the exact amounts for safely consuming red meat are open to debate.

"The evidence shows that people with a relatively low intake have lower health risks," he says. "A general recommendation is that people should stick to no more than two to three servings per week."

What’s the beef with red meat? - Harvard Health

Despite a recent study’s claim that consuming red and processed meat is not linked to health conditions, most global health organizations maintain that lowering consumption can reduce a p...

www.health.harvard.edu