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The latest newsletter from the B&W peeps. Read it and weep.


ESA MAY BE STOPPED FOR CLAIMANTS WHO TRY TO APPEAL
The DWP has now released their response to the ‘consultation’ on a mandatory revision before appeal system. Under the new system, claimants who wish to challenge most benefits decision will be prevented from lodging an appeal with the Tribunals Service until the DWP have had another look at the decision. There is no time limit for how long the DWP can spend on this mandatory reconsideration.

This is particularly important for ESA claimants who are found fit for work, as they are legally prevented from continuing to receive the assessment rate of ESA until they have lodged an appeal.

After months of refusing to answer the question, the DWP have now revealed in their response document that they are still undecided as to whether claimants will be allowed to continue to receive ESA during the reconsideration phase. Worryingly the document does state that “other benefits may be available to claimants where ESA has been disallowed”.

You can download the response document from the DWP website

EXTRAORDINARILY HARSH JSA SANCTIONS
ESA claimants who end up on JSA face an extraordinarily harsh new sanctions from 22 October, when decision makers will have the power to ban claimants from JSA for up to three years for repeated offences of:

leaving a job voluntarily;
losing a job through misconduct;
refusal/failure to apply for, or accept if offered a suitable job;
refusal/failure to participate in mandatory work activity.

If you can show you had good cause for your actions, then there will, be no sanction. But with legal aid ending for welfare benefits next year, help to show good cause will be harder to come by.

Claimants may lose out on JSA where decision makers refuse to accept that the they are too ill to undertake mandatory work, for example. Or if an unscrupulous employer unlawfully sacks them because they are disabled, but alleges that dismissal was for misconduct, then they may also face sanctions.

Again, with the ending of legal aid for employment law and the introduction of hefty fees for taking a case to tribunal, it will be much harder for claimants to show they were not at fault.

The three year sanction will apply for a third offence within 52 weeks. The current maximum sanction is 26 weeks. Claimants may be eligible for hardship payments during the sanction period.

Further details of the new sanctions regime can be found on the DWP website.

ESA LOSERS LEFT WITHOUT INCOME
The DWP has been forced to reveal what really becomes of ESA claimants who are found fit for work.

The Daily Record reports that, according to a DWP survey carried out in 2009 but only recently uncovered by a Freedom of Information request, 55% of claimants found fit for work were left unemployed and without any income. A further 30% were in receipt of benefits and only 15% had found employment.

Given the current economic climate, today’s figures may be even more dismal.

You can read the Daily record article here and Benefits and Work members can comment here.

ANGER OVER SECRET DWP CHARITY DEAL
There is outrage amongst disability charities at the news that the DWP has set up a new quango, the Disability Action Alliance, to produce disability policies and then secretly appointed Disability Rights UK (DRUK) to run it.

News came out only after the deal was done and some angry charities are now trying to get questions asked in the House of Commons about what went on behind closed doors.

The new organisation is supposed to help ensure that government policy gets the best possible outcome for disabled people. But the Alliance is made up of private companies, who may be more concerned about making profits than supporting disabled people, public sector organisations, who may be more concerned about saving money, and by charities like DRUK which are heavily and increasingly dependent on government cash to stay afloat.

There is particular disquiet from disability charities such as RNIB and the UK Disabled People’s Council that DRUK was chosen to lead the new body without any consultation or appointment process that would have allowed others to take part.

The appointment includes a fee for DRUK, whose head Liz Sayce wrote a report recommending the closure of Remploy factories which the government is now putting into action.

PIP MEDICALS BONANZA
A botched Freedom of Information response has revealed that Atos’ contract for carrying out DLA to PIP transfer medicals includes a very hefty profit of £40 million if the company manages to put 15% more people through medicals than expected in Scotland and Northern England. The “Atos Risk Management Plan” shows that they will make more than £28 million even if they only examine the expected number of claimants.

There is no evidence of a penalty for getting it wrong in tens of thousands of cases as they currently do with ESA, however.

It is clear that at the moment there is a wide margin of uncertainty about how many current DLA claimants will take part in the PIP transfer and that the DWP and Atos have worked out what the cost and profitability of the contract is likely to be depending on the final number of people assessed. What this may mean is that, for Atos, there will be a real financial incentive to rush through medicals as quickly as possible without worrying whether they are collecting detailed and accurate evidence. The profits will be for volume not for accuracy.

This could have a knock on effect for ESA claimants too. It is likely that some of the same staff and same centres that are used for ESA examination will also be used for PIP. The faster the current incapacity benefit to ESA transfer can be completed, the sooner staff can be freed up to work on the PIP contract. Yet more incentive to get things done fast rather than well.

Details of the contract, which the DWP had meant to keep secret, were accidentally disclosed in a Freedom of Information response.

More details from the Daily Record.

This is making me feel quite uncomfortable - it's survivor's guilt. All of a sudden I'm doing well but lots of others are being thrown in the gutter. The suicide rate just has to be rocketing.
 
The latest newsletter from the B&W peeps. Read it and weep.

This is making me feel quite uncomfortable - it's survivor's guilt. All of a sudden I'm doing well but lots of others are being thrown in the gutter. The suicide rate just has to be rocketing.

Please don't feel guilty. You are entitled to this financial help. The ones who should feel guilty are the people making the decision to leave others in financial hell.
 
VP, have they said you will be called to an ATOS medical? Or are you likely to be put in the support group without one?


I'be got an "indefinite" DLA award at the highest rate for both components. I haven't had an IB medical for more than a decade, and my last renewal form was 2006, passed on the submitted form. I don't know whether that makes me more or less likely to be put in the support group without an assessment, but I'm not going to take anything for granted.
 
VP, have they said you will be called to an ATOS medical? Or are you likely to be put in the support group without one?
I'm not saying that it's a constant worry every day for VP and I, but all long term plans of doing anything remotely expensive are on hold for the foreseeable future. :(
 
I'be got an "indefinite" DLA award at the highest rate for both components. I haven't had an IB medical for more than a decade, and my last renewal form was 2006, passed on the submitted form. I don't know whether that makes me more or less likely to be put in the support group without an assessment, but I'm not going to take anything for granted.

When they wrote to you in 2006 did the letter say when your claim would next be up for renewal? Coz around that time is probably when they'll migrate you onto ESA/call you in for a medical/do whatever they're going to do. That's how it was for me anyway, I've recently had my medical - fuck knows how it went TBH, the atos person seemed ok & didn't ask any questions that I thought were unreasonable, but while they appear sympathetic, you don't what it is that they're typing about you. Just have to wait now.
 
[Authors of Our Own Misfortune?: The Problems with Psychogenic Explanations for Physical Illnesses

Since the advent of "medicine" as a discrete practice, beliefs that bodily illness can somehow be caused by psychological, emotional, and behavioural "disorder" have been claimed by many in the discipline. Such beliefs became less creditable as scientific methods of detecting disease developed, with discoveries such as the physiological and anatomical abnormalities in Parkinson's disease and Multiple Sclerosis, for example, and the organisms causing syphilis and duodenal ulcers. Nevertheless, psychogenic explanations for illnesses still appear frequently within medical and academic literature, in "common sense" public discourses, and in medical diagnoses of patients. But how plausible are these explanations?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0857181017/ref=dp_proddesc_1?ie=UTF8&n=266239/


New book by the eminent sociologist Angela Kennedy about the psychologising of many physical illnesses(such as that promoted by the Wesseley School for M.E) and the rationale/agenda behind it..
 
We're not used to federal agencies moving forward with alacrity on ME/CFS issues, but last month’s 90-minute FDA teleconference with chronic fatigue syndrome stakeholders indicated the FDA is doing just that.(When “Occupy CFS” blogger Jennie Spotila is happy, somebody is making progress; check out her blog here.) Articulate, and obviously sharp as a tack, Sandra Kweder, MD, deputy director of FDA’s Office of New Drugs, led the telephone conference call.

She quickly demolished any concerns about whether the FDA believes chronic fatigue syndrome is a ‘serious and life-threatening disorder’ - stating that the agency considers ME/CFS on a par with cancer, diabetes, epilepsy, heart failure and other serious diseases. This was an important statement, given that ‘serious and life-threatening’ is a key criterion in the FDA’s decisions on drugs selected for expedited review.
http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=17241
The FDA recently had a telephone conference about ME/CFS, this is very good news for PWME
 
The FDA recently had a telephone conference about ME/CFS, this is very good news for PWME
Provisionally yes, but not if it gets PWME put on SSRIs, given CBT, and forced to increase their activity levels. Half a cheer until I hear further details.
 
Greebo said
Provisionally yes, but not if it gets PWME put on SSRIs, given CBT, and forced to increase their activity levels. Half a cheer until I hear further details.

stating that the agency considers ME/CFS on a par with cancer, diabetes, epilepsy, heart failure and other serious diseases

Of course, but these may lead to bio-chemical interventions, cancer is not treated by the unholy three, is it?
 
That makes me very angry, although it's what urbanites have been saying for months - the assessment is not set up to deal with complex health conditions including learning disabilities and mental health conditions.

I think this quote sums up everything I've heard about the assessment:
An Atos Healthcare spokesperson said: "We apologise for any discrepancy in our report and any distress this may have caused

A discrepancy!!!!! Ruth Anim was described as a 27 year old male client, ffs. That's not a 'discrepancy', that's pure incompetence.
 
10,600 sick & disabled people died last year within six weeks of their claim ending

Posted on October 4, 2012 by JJ
@blacktriangle1
Subject: Incapacity Benefits: Deaths of recipients (July, 2012 statistical release) See:
http://statistics.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/adhoc_analysis/2012/incap_decd_recips_0712.pdf
10,600 sick & disabled people died last year within six weeks of their claim ending. This latest statistical release adds some information not covered in this article:
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investiga...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I wish to point out that the DWP improperly responded to my request and did not provide mortality statistics on 2012 ESA claimants; see
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/j63qek
This information certainly must be available as the Department is supposed to be monitoring and modifying systems on a continual basis.
http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/20...-year-within-six-weeks-of-their-claim-ending/
 
all long term plans of doing anything remotely expensive are on hold for the foreseeable future. :(

That'll do the economic recovery a lot of good :(

Back in the early "OMG!!!" days of the financial crash I recall Polly Toynbee doing an uncharacteristically sane piece, pointing out that the best stimulus the government could make to the economy would be to hand large wodges of used twenties to unemployed people, who would spend them immediately... looked, but not yet found it.
 


at last, this should have happened years ago, but better late than never...

Weird, replied to Rutita, but her quote never appeared..
 
''The Government will hit the unemployed with the requirement next year that jobseekers claiming JSA or its equivalent under the Universal Credit will have to show they are spending 35 hours a week looking for work. Later this year they intend to replace the DWP jobsearch website of Jobcentre Plus with the Universal Jobmatch system, whic will require claimants to log into to monitor their jobsearch efforts. If a claimant does not search for work for a minimum of 35 hours a week, they will face 8 weeks sanctions for a first offence, 6 months sanctions for a second offence. This is totally ridiculous and was dreamt up by IDS and Lord Freud, saying that the unemployed should not be allowed to sit at home doing nothing

post on CIf, I can imagine this being chaos, but also some bright spark will create a bit of software so it looks like someone is logged in, etc..

btw, who is going to pay for always on net access, a PC, etc..

what about disabled people/people with MH issues who have failed ATOS test, how on earth could someone with ME spend that long on the net?
 
That'll do the economic recovery a lot of good :(

Back in the early "OMG!!!" days of the financial crash I recall Polly Toynbee doing an uncharacteristically sane piece, pointing out that the best stimulus the government could make to the economy would be to hand large wodges of used twenties to unemployed people, who would spend them immediately... looked, but not yet found it.

I remember that vaguely. These Tory arseholes don't realise that the billions they cut from welfare benefits takes the same away from the economy too.

We don't stash those pitiful few £s away in tax havens, we use them to get the basics to exist..!!
 
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