Assange seeks asylum in Ecuador embassy, London

[EastEnder]

The cynic in me would guess that he has had some sort of favourable indication from the UN panel and he intends to demand his freedom on Friday, having so reasonably agreed that he would surrender if the panel went against him, but we'll see.

I tend to agree, it was a very loaded statement he made, hinting at fait accompli. Let's just hope the UK authorities play along, then reject the UN verdict as soon as he's in nickable range.

 

[danny la rouge]

What's a PUA?

Pick up artist. A euphemism for rape advocate. See various threads currently extant.

 

[Spymaster]

Who gives a fuck what the UN say about his "detention"?

He's wanted in Sweden to answer sexual assault charges and that's what should happen.

As soon as he steps out of the embassy he should be taken to Heathrow and put on a plane to Stockholm. In handcuffs.

Either that or run him across town to Grosvenor Square.

His choice.

 

[elbows]

The cynic in me would guess that he has had some sort of favourable indication from the UN panel and he intends to demand his freedom on Friday, having so reasonably agreed that he would surrender if the panel went against him, but we'll see.

Yeah, it's hard to rule out crap posturing when it comes to Assange. The other possibilities wouldn't surprise me either though, I think he is beyond bored of the situation he put himself in.

 

[StoneRoad]

It is also extremely boring for the rest of the world ...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

UN rules in Assange's favour

 

[andysays]

What a bizarre development

What is the United Nations working group on arbitrary detention? Can it force British authorities to let Assange walk free?

The working group is a UN body set up to investigate the lawfulness of state detention on individuals. It can take on cases to determine whether a person has been detained arbitrarily having regard to various international law instruments.

Assange’s legal counsel has submitted that his time in the Ecuadorian embassy has not been by his choice, and should be considered arbitrary detention. They have argued the flawed arrest warrant sought against him has led to Assange being unable to access the full benefits of asylum afforded to him by Ecuador.

The submissions state: “If all the names, details and events were redacted, it could be distilled to the simple and irrefutable fact that a political refugee, who has never been charged, has been deprived of their liberty for nearly four years, and confined in a very small space for over two years. The matter has come to a head because his mental and physical health are imperilled.”

Like many international bodies, the UN working group does not have binding powers that would force British authorities to allow Assange to walk free. However, the decision may prove an important tool for pressuring the British and Swedish governments to allow Assange to leave the embassy. It could also be persuasive in any further challenge sought in the European court of human rights.

Amongst various questions thrown up by this, why the fuck is the UN group on arbitrary detention even looking at this, far less resolving in his favour, when he clearly isn't being detained by a state? Don't they have genuine cases they should be looking at?

 

[Spymaster]

UN rules in Assange's favour

From the BBC:

It does not have any formal influence over the British and Swedish authorities and the UK Foreign Office said it still had an obligation to extradite Mr Assange.

So fuck 'em.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

From the BBC:


So fuck 'em.

It's just drivel, the British haven't been detaining him. From day one we've said he is free to leave the embassy any time he wants. My vote is shifting from Sweden to Grosvenor Square, the travelcard's cheaper for a start...

 

[cesare]

"You're free to leave at any time, as was always the case, Mr Assange"

 

[MAD-T-REX]

From the BBC:


So fuck 'em.

Quite.

I wasn't aware of this panel, but it is a shame that any work they do on future cases of actual unlawful detention will be discredited by this political stunt.

 

[EastEnder]

Quite.

I wasn't aware of this panel, but it is a shame that any work they do on future cases of actual unlawful detention will be discredited by this political stunt.

My thoughts exactly. A panel set up to help genuine victims misappropriated by a petulant wanker who doesn't think the rules apply to him...

 

[butchersapron]

So Assange makes this generous offer after he has somehow learnt of the panels verdict - not before, not when it may still have went against him. Which means that it isn't and never was an offer.

 

[laptop]

' Assange said the opinion of the panel was "vindication", adding: "The lawfulness of my detention is now a matter of settled law." '

Julian Assange decision by UN panel ridiculous, says Hammond - BBC News


Is delusional. Freemen on teh Land delusional.

 

[danny la rouge]

' Assange said the opinion of the panel was "vindication", adding: "The lawfulness of my detention is now a matter of settled law." '

Julian Assange decision by UN panel ridiculous, says Hammond - BBC News


Is delusional. Freemen on teh Land delusional.

The other thread seems to be where people are talking about the last couple of days' developments:

Assange to face extradition

 

[laptop]

The other thread seems to be where people are talking about the last couple of days' developments:

Assange to face extradition

Bugger. Search on phone on bus sucks. Ta.

 

[elbows]

' Assange said the opinion of the panel was "vindication", adding: "The lawfulness of my detention is now a matter of settled law." '

Julian Assange decision by UN panel ridiculous, says Hammond - BBC News

Is delusional. Freemen on teh Land delusional.

To be sure it was delusional I'd have to know whether he really believes it. He is well versed at constructing stances and making public declarations about them. Over the years I've come to my own conclusions about his judgement, style and motivations. I've not reached a final conclusion about his basic sincerity, and whether he believes everything he says at the time, but then again what use is sincerity if its attached to someone who is at least partially blinded by issues of their own ego and what is required to sustain it.

 

[laptop]

To be sure it was delusional I'd have to know whether he really believes it.

Either way, he's appealing to the delusional (or terminally uncritical).

 

[phildwyer]

I've not reached a final conclusion about his basic sincerity

He's made some pretty big sacrifices for his cause. That indicates sincerity if nothing else.

 

[cesare]

He's made some pretty big sacrifices for his cause. That indicates sincerity if nothing else.

Or ambition.

 

[Spymaster]

He's made some pretty big sacrifices for his cause.

No Phil. He has attempted to avoid responding to rape allegations and used "his cause" as a a cover.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No Phil. He has attempted to avoid responding to rape allegations and used "his cause" as a a cover.

The cynic's view of the world.

 

[phildwyer]

Or ambition.

Something of the martyr complex there, true.

 

[danny la rouge]

He's made some pretty big sacrifices for his cause. That indicates sincerity if nothing else.

People who have done a good thing sometimes may also do a bad thing. Shockingly, people aren't one dimensional.

 

[badseed]

Fascinating stuff this happening this week. If you don't follow, Wikileaks have been releasing John Podesta's email archive, which obviously has lots of stuff from Hillary.
First Assange had his internet disconnected by Ecuador then he was attempted to be framed for being a predatory paedophile.
Turns out the company (Todd & Clare) who fabricated the paedogeddon claims tried earlier to trick him into accepting money which they claimed was from the Russian government.
So...
Tood and Clare are a fake company owned by another fake company who are in turn owned by people with links to the Hillary campaign.
So the paedo claims are clearly fabricated easily discredited. Using the Ecuador embassy internet for grooming? really?
I'm certainly no conspiraloon but this week has been like the plot of a bad spy movie.

Hillary: Can't we just drone him?
Her People: err, no
Hillary: Ok, make it look like he is in the employ of the Russians
Her People: Didn't work
Hillary: Threaten Ecuador with sanctions if they don't shut him up.
Her People: ok, we can do that one.
Hilary: Tell everyone he's a paedo
Her People: are you sure?
Hillary: He's a paedo, a paedo!!!

An extraordinary plot against the Wikileaks founder is foiled, as new evidence comes to light | The Canary

 

[Yossarian]

Fascinating stuff this happening this week. If you don't follow, Wikileaks have been releasing John Podesta's email archive, which obviously has lots of stuff from Hillary.
First Assange had his internet disconnected by Ecuador then he was attempted to be framed for being a predatory paedophile.
Turns out the company (Todd & Clare) who fabricated the paedogeddon claims tried earlier to trick him into accepting money which they claimed was from the Russian government.
So...
Tood and Clare are a fake company owned by another fake company who are in turn owned by people with links to the Hillary campaign.
So the paedo claims are clearly fabricated easily discredited. Using the Ecuador embassy internet for grooming? really?
I'm certainly no conspiraloon but this week has been like the plot of a bad spy movie.

Hillary: Can't we just drone him?
Her People: err, no
Hillary: Ok, make it look like he is in the employ of the Russians
Her People: Didn't work
Hillary: Threaten Ecuador with sanctions if they don't shut him up.
Her People: ok, we can do that one.
Hilary: Tell everyone he's a paedo
Her People: are you sure?
Hillary: He's a paedo, a paedo!!!

An extraordinary plot against the Wikileaks founder is foiled, as new evidence comes to light | The Canary

According to Snopes, the only reason this was linked to the Clinton campaign was because people on a Reddit thread got mixed up about an address.

 

[badseed]

According to Snopes, the only reason this was linked to the Clinton campaign was because people on a Reddit thread got mixed up about an address.

Here is the reddit thread, it's a good read if you can filter the bullshit -

There is 40 days between Premise and T&C using the address to register websites but no real info, that I could see, on when Premise vacated. So it may well be purely coincidental and looks like a flaky link between the two (remember T&C don't really exist) but someone wants to discredit Assange and Wikileaks pretty badly.

Premise still stinks though:

Premise is also not associated with, has never had dealings with, and has no knowledge of T&C Network Solutions. This all appears to tie back to mistaken internet information about a previous office address (645 7th St.) Premise occupied through August 2015 before we outgrew the space and moved to our current offices. We have no professional or donor affiliation with any political candidate.

David Soloff has visited the Whitehouse several times in the last few months.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So the latest is that claims are circulating that the DDoS attacks (carried out by a vast invincible army of poorly secured toasters and sex-toys) against Dyn DNS that have messed up the internet over the last couple of days are actually retaliation for Assange's internet connection being tampered with (allegedly to try to get him to shut up about Hillary)

Evidence seems to be some tweets from Wikileaks telling their followers to lay off shutting down the 'net.

WikiLeaks on Twitter

Background to attacks, which make it clear it could have been anyone really:

Today the web was broken by countless hacked devices – your 60-second summary

Spreading the DDoS Disease and Selling the Cure — Krebs on Security

 

[DotCommunist]

surviellance cameras (networked) made by a chinese firm have been mentioned

 

[Bernie Gunther]

surviellance cameras (networked) made by a chinese firm have been mentioned

Yeah, but there's a whole range of devices involved. I just picked on the most amusing.