Assange seeks asylum in Ecuador embassy, London

[butchersapron]

Possibly, be I think that is the least of his worries right now.

I think it's his main worry. And i don't think it's something that people like us should put aside for 'wider issues'.

 

[Deareg]

I think it's his main worry. And i don't think it's something that people like us should put aside for 'wider issues'.

I doubt very much that would be my main worry, or yours, if one of us were in his shoes.

 

[Citizen66]

I doubt very much that would be my main worry, or yours, if one of us were in his shoes.

Why?

 

[Pickman's model]

He doesn't want to answer the rape charges?

So assange has singlehandedly created a new form of tourism, sex charge avoidance embassy tourism

 

[butchersapron]

I doubt very much that would be my main worry, or yours, if one of us were in his shoes.

In that case why has he resisted being extradited to sweden so forcefully? Given that he can be extradited with as much ease from the UK - the place he fought for so long to legally stay in?

 

[Citizen66]

In that case why has he resisted being extradited to sweden so forcefully? Given that he can be extradited with as much ease from the UK - the place he fought for so long to legally stay in?

This was going to be my next point. And an application hasn't been made from the US.

 

[Deareg]

Why?

Are you serious? Doing a few years in a Swedish prison (if convicted) would be a piece of piss compared to what the Yanks would have in stall for him if his worries about being further extradited come to pass.

 

[Pickman's model]

In that case why has he resisted being extradited to sweden so forcefully? Given that he can be extradited with as much ease from the UK - the place he fought for so long to legally stay in?

Because he's an alleged rapist and doesn't want to face the possibility of weeks on the swedish version of rule 43 before being given therapy

 

[AKA pseudonym]

I think it's his main worry. And i don't think it's something that people like us should put aside for 'wider issues'.

'wider issues'?????

what might they be?
I agree, as do most, Assange should face a fair legal system due to the sexual charges...
u really reckon thats gonna happen in britland, sweden or america?

whats your solution bruvver... because to me you are so losing by asking questions and not offering solutions?
so... whats your position?

 

[Citizen66]

Are you serious? Doing a few years in a Swedish prison (if convicted) would be a piece of piss compared to what the Yanks would have in stall for him if his worries about being further extradited come to pass.

Butchers introduced the next point.

 

[Deareg]

In that case why has he resisted being extradited to sweden so forcefully? Given that he can be extradited with as much ease from the UK - the place he fought for so long to legally stay in?

there must be some doubt for whatever reason about being able to extradite him from Britain or i imagine the Yanks would have requested it by now.

 

[Deareg]

Butchers introduced the next point.

Addressed.

 

[killer b]

Or perhaps he doesn't want to answer the rape charges against him

 

[Deareg]

Or perhaps he doesn't want to answer the rape charges against him

That is quite possible but the Ecuadorians also feel that his other worries are well founded too

 

[Pickman's model]

Or perhaps he doesn't want to answer the rape charges against him

Yes. We've covered this ground.

 

[killer b]

Tbh the whole argument has been covering the exact same ground repeatedly for about 2 years now.

 

[butchersapron]

there must be some doubt for whatever reason about being able to extradite him from Britain or i imagine the Yanks would have requested it by now.

Sorry mate, that doesn't mean anything. They haven't requested that he be extradited from Sweden either. Which must mean there's some reason that he can't be right?

 

[Plumdaff]

there must be some doubt for whatever reason about being able to extradite him from Britain or i imagine the Yanks would have requested it by now.

I remember reading somewhere that using the Espionage Act extradition is easier from Sweden. Does anyone have the info? If I find the article I read I will post it up.

 

[Citizen66]

there must be some doubt for whatever reason about being able to extradite him from Britain or i imagine the Yanks would have requested it by now.

The only thing I could think of would be the UK's stance on not extraditing people where they may face the death penalty. Not sure what Sweden's stance is on this.

 

[grit]

Or perhaps he doesn't want to answer the rape charges against him

He hasn't been charged according to the guardian

 

[Deareg]

Sorry mate, that doesn't mean anything. They haven't requested that he be extradited from Sweden either. Which must mean there's some reason that he can't be right?

How can they ask for his extradition from Sweden when they don't yet have him? or, Why would they jump the gun when he probably would have used that in his fight not to be sent back to Sweden?

 

[Citizen66]

Sorry mate, that doesn't mean anything. They haven't requested that he be extradited from Sweden either. Which must mean there's some reason that he can't be right?

Surely he would need to be in Sweden for that application to be able to be processed though?

 

[Citizen66]

Beaten to it. I see i'm getting in the way of butchers and deareg here ooh errrr.

 

[Deareg]

The only thing I could think of would be the UK's stance on not extraditing people where they may face the death penalty. Not sure what Sweden's stance is on this.

Some or at least one U.S politician called publicly for him to be assassinated, some people interviewed on TV have suggested that he could face the death penalty in the U.S, I have no idea how likely this is but it seems to be on some peoples minds.

 

[butchersapron]

'wider issues'?????

what might they be?
I agree, as do most, Assange should face a fair legal system due to the sexual charges...
u really reckon thats gonna happen in britland, sweden or america?

whats your solution bruvver... because to me you are so losing by asking questions and not offering solutions?
so... whats your position?

No you don't. You say he should not be extradited to sweden to face charges of rape/sexual assault. You say that he should face trial for these semi-formal charges. Where should he face trial? He can only face trial in sweden. Where you don't think he should be extradited to. Do you see what an incoherent mess this is?

Wider issues? Simple - that this right-wing free-market libertarian anti-semite has been involved in some stuff that you approve of does not mean that serious accusation of sexual assault should be ignored, swept under the carpet or downgraded. Which is exactly what the argument that says that he is right to do all he can to evade going to sweden to face trial because of some 'wider issues' does,

Offering solutions? To who? For who? He should go to sweden for trial. What's this solution that you're providing? I haven't yet seen it on here - i've seen content free woo-hooing that didn't understand what today's events mean. I've seen confused and contradictory posts that say two different things at the same time. I've seen posts that have no understanding of how international and diplomatic law works. But i tell you what i haven't seen from you - i haven't seen a solution. I don't really want one either - but if you're going to attack others for not providing one...

 

[butchersapron]

How can they ask for his extradition from Sweden when they don't yet have him? or, Why would they jump the gun when he probably would have used that in his fight not to be sent back to Sweden?

You can put the groundwork in. They effectively do have him anyway. By this logic the most pro-US govt that says it will extradite him without question to the US would not count as having the legal situation and requirements to follow as the most anti-US state.

 

[butchersapron]

Some or at least one U.S politician called publicly for him to be assassinated, some people interviewed on TV have suggested that he could face the death penalty in the U.S, I have no idea how likely this is but it seems to be on some peoples minds.

But what on earth does that have to do with the case over which he is being extradited? Is the mighty US so pathetically weak that it's tentacles couldn't do something naughty if he was serving a sentence in sweden?

 

[Deareg]

No you don't. You say he should not be extradited to sweden to face charges of rape/sexual assault. You say that he should face trial for these semi-formal charges. Where should he face trial? He can only face trial in sweden. Where you don't think he should be extradited to. Do you see what an incoherent mess this is?

Wider issues? Simple - that this right-wing free-market libertarian anti-semite has been involved in some stuff that you approve of does not mean that serious accusation of sexual assault should be ignored, swept under the carpet or downgraded. Which is exactly what the argument that says that he is right to do all he can to evade going to sweden to face trial because of some 'wider issues' does,

Offering solutions? To who? For who? He should go to sweden for trial. What's this solution that you're providing? I haven't yet seen it on here - i've seen content free woo-hooing that didn't understand what today's events mean. I've seen confused and contradictory posts that say two different things at the same time. I've seen posts that have no understanding of how international and diplomatic law works. But i tell you what i haven't seen from you - i haven't seen a solution. I don't really want one either - but if you're going to attack others for not providing one...

There have been a number of precedents of people being tried for various crimes in third countries, I don't see why it can't be applied in this case.

 

[elbows]

In 1984 there was an attempt to smuggle a Nigerian man from the UK in a so-called "diplomatic bag" protected from inspection. The bag was in fact a large crate - and customs officers successfully intercepted it at the airport.

From the 'analysis' part of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19281492

 

[Deareg]

You can put the groundwork in. They effectively do have him anyway. By this logic the most pro-US govt that says it will extradite him without question to the US would not count as having the legal situation and requirements to follow as the most anti-US state.

Whether they effectively have him or not is still to be established. I have already given my thoughts on your second point.