Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn

[Thora]

I don’t want to get into it but realised that my fighty instinct on this thread was about this, to ‘protect the welfare of the child’ there’s apparently a massive manhunt on, so are the parents both guilty of a crime by not registering the birth or is it something else. Hopefully it’s something else something we aren’t aware of. So what are the limits to the choices people can make before they become deserving of being hunted down, with police appeals to the public to report any sightings. Her father using the words 'turn yourself in' stuck in my mind. Inappropriate boyfriends and being of no fixed abode aren’t crimes so it has to be about the baby but still It’s a very strange story I find it disconcerting for that reason.

You don't necessarily have to have committed a crime to have social services involvement. I understand the burden of proof for a family court is a lot lower than a criminal court.

 

[not henry]

This couple are being hounded from one end of the country to the other
We all hope i am sure that the baby is fine.
Whereas these forums are generally against fox hunting this present chase shows many similarities. Two hundred policemen.
They might not even be the bigger part of the problem. The journalists. There must be dozens if not hundred of journalists
trying to nail this exclusive juicy story and if they get there first the poor family will realy be ripped apart.
I do not know the details of mother neither does anyone on this thread
I do not know the details of father neither does anyone on this thread
I am sure we can agree that we know very little of the situation
However the couple are still being hunted down and the basic right to privacy, family life whatever has gone by the board because the 36 hour rule (the only one that we know for sure has been broken) has not been adhered to.
These people have shown a fierce determination to privacy. People can only be pushed so far then become desperate
Leave them alone and they will come home (as a wise poet once said)

 

[friedaweed]

You don't necessarily have to have committed a crime to have social services involvement. I understand the burden of proof for a family court is a lot lower than a criminal court.

Balance of probability I think.

 

[cupid_stunt]

However the couple are still being hunted down and the basic right to privacy, family life whatever has gone by the board because the 36 hour rule (the only one that we know for sure has been broken) has not been adhered to.

I am sure there's a lot more than that behind this situation, but the police are probably restricted in releasing further information.

Whereas these forums are generally against fox hunting this present chase shows many similarities.

Get a grip!

 

[kebabking]

This couple are being hounded from one end of the country to the other
We all hope i am sure that the baby is fine.
Whereas these forums are generally against fox hunting this present chase shows many similarities. Two hundred policemen.
They might not even be the bigger part of the problem. The journalists. There must be dozens if not hundred of journalists
trying to nail this exclusive juicy story and if they get there first the poor family will realy be ripped apart.
I do not know the details of mother neither does anyone on this thread
I do not know the details of father neither does anyone on this thread
I am sure we can agree that we know very little of the situation
However the couple are still being hunted down and the basic right to privacy, family life whatever has gone by the board because the 36 hour rule (the only one that we know for sure has been broken) has not been adhered to.

If you think plod have done a nationwide appeal, and put 200 coppers+ civ staff on the hunt for these two because the 36 hour rule has been broken you must be on Crack.

It's speculation, but perhaps informed speculation, that they had had other children removed by social services and the court. It's quite possible that the court has made an order that any subsequent children be removed as well - hence the running away.

Like Pickman's model I fear a very distressing end to this.

 

[Red Cat]

you now reckon they are deceased? Thats a proper speculation credit where its due. i doubt it I think they're in a nice air bnb.

Anyhow my post was a response to your question that went "which part of to protect the welfare of the child might be problematic" . The limits to a woman's freedom when it comes to them becoming mothers or even potential mothers, to what extent the baby trumps that, is obvs a question that does exist.

Adults have rights and responsibilities. A baby is the most vulnerable person in any society and has a right to protection that trumps a woman's right to freedom.

 

[Cid]

It's worth remembering that most of this happened two weeks ago (burning car 5/6 Jan). It's not as if all the press attention was immediate.

 

[pbsmooth]

This couple are being hounded from one end of the country to the other
We all hope i am sure that the baby is fine.
Whereas these forums are generally against fox hunting this present chase shows many similarities. Two hundred policemen.
They might not even be the bigger part of the problem. The journalists. There must be dozens if not hundred of journalists
trying to nail this exclusive juicy story and if they get there first the poor family will realy be ripped apart.
I do not know the details of mother neither does anyone on this thread
I do not know the details of father neither does anyone on this thread
I am sure we can agree that we know very little of the situation
However the couple are still being hunted down and the basic right to privacy, family life whatever has gone by the board because the 36 hour rule (the only one that we know for sure has been broken) has not been adhered to.
These people have shown a fierce determination to privacy. People can only be pushed so far then become desperate
Leave them alone and they will come home (as a wise poet once said)

Put down the bong.

 

[not henry]

If you think plod have done a nationwide appeal, and put 200 coppers+ civ staff on the hunt for these two because the 36 hour rule has been broken you must be on Crack.

It's speculation, but perhaps informed speculation, that they had had other children removed by social services and the court. It's quite possible that the court has made an order that any subsequent children be removed as well - hence the running away.

Like Pickman's model I fear a very distressing end to this.

I object to you accusing me of being on crack. I did once have a habit and it cost me dearly in life quite a few years ago. I am not on crack now and have not been for many years. I get the impression that people are not called out on these threads for being ex alcohol abusers, so is it so different for other substances. Please do not bother to apologise (it would mean nothing to me) if indeed it were ever your intention.

 

[not henry]

Put down the bong.

Please see above

 

[Cid]

Some of the reactions on here are er... odd. I mean I am very prone to being sympathetic. But we know they abandoned a burning car, with a newborn, which they didn't register. I think I'd be prepared to say 'yeah, go all out on finding them, then work out what happened' just based on that. I'm sure there are many similar cases that go under the radar, but er... They probably shouldn't.

 

[tonysingh]

Has it been confirmed the dad was on the sex offender register here? I'd imagine that'd be grounds enough to take any kid away.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Please do not bother to apologise (it would mean nothing to me)

 

[not henry]

You

View attachment 360133

You cannot get round me with an Ultravox track

 

[tim]

You asked if there's a legal way of banning them leaving the country, and yes there is. But if they haven't been seen for ages, and in many if not most parts of the country they'd stand out like a sore thumb, I suspect something more terminal may have occurred

Nigel Farrage is always telling us how easy it is to enter the country illegally. Presumably, particularly if you have access to cash, it is equally easy to leave illegally. There are seemingly lots of gallant little ferries with seats available on the return leg to France.

 

[tim]

You asked if there's a legal way of banning them leaving the country, and yes there is. But if they haven't been seen for ages, and in many if not most parts of the country they'd stand out like a sore thumb, I suspect something more terminal may have occurred

Nigel Farrage is always telling us how easy it is to enter the country illegally. Presumably, particularly if you have access to cash, it is equally easy to leave illegally. There are seemingly lots of gallant little ferries with seats available on the return leg to France.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nigel Farrage is always telling us how easy it is to enter the country illegally. Presumably, particularly if you have access to cash, it is equally easy to leave illegally. There are seemingly lots of gallant little ferries with seats available on the return leg to France.

there is a legal way of banning them. but as you say this can be circumvented by those with money and / or boats

 

[Elpenor]

I love the fact that the midpoint of this thread is a barney about not engaging in idle speculation online, a point argued by someone with in excess of 168,000 posts on an internet forum

 

[not henry]

OOh my mistake I thought it was take this vienetta as a gesture and we can all be friends, but no it was heres a vienetta to remind you of how much of a wanker you are
Sorry my mistake

 

[DaveCinzano]

Nigel Farrage is always telling us how easy it is to enter the country illegally. Presumably, particularly if you have access to cash, it is equally easy to leave illegally. There are seemingly lots of gallant little ferries with seats available on the return leg to France.

Plucky little airplanes too

 

[ElizabethofYork]

OOh my mistake I thought it was take this vienetta as a gesture and we can all be friends, but no it was heres a vienetta to remind you of how much of a wanker you are
Sorry my mistake

Was it?

 

[Pickman's model]

OOh my mistake I thought it was take this vienetta as a gesture and we can all be friends, but no it was heres a vienetta to remind you of how much of a wanker you are
Sorry my mistake

that passive aggression is off the chart now

 

[bimble]

a right to protection that trumps a woman's right to freedom.

To what extent though? I think that’s why I find the story so curious. She hasn’t got the freedom to choose to not register the birth without falling on the wrong side of the law, I get that and I get why. But what else? She also must not be of no fixed abode, must not avoid cctv, refuse medical attention ? It can’t be that so what is it exactly that’s causing an appeal to the nation to report sightings (I know we don’t know the answer).

 

[not henry]

Was it?

Was it what ? a mistake, a vienneta, a gesture, a plaintiff desire to reach out my hand in friendship, a wanker or something i should have programmed into my clock as a reminder.
You will have to be a bit more clear

 

[emanymton]

It's worth remembering that most of this happened two weeks ago (burning car 5/6 Jan). It's not as if all the press attention was immediate.

Nah I saw lots of reporting of that at the time.

 

[Cid]

Nah I saw lots of reporting of that at the time.

Must have missed it... When did the family stuff/police appeals come out? Don't actually look that up, just thinking out loud.

 

[bimble]

You don't necessarily have to have committed a crime to have social services involvement. I understand the burden of proof for a family court is a lot lower than a criminal court.

But 200 police and a nationwide appeal to the public to phone the police if you think you may have spotted them and to hoteliers to refuse them a room is that the same thing as social services involvement?

 

[emanymton]

Must have missed it... When did the family stuff/police appeals come out? Don't actually look that up, just thinking out loud.

That only came out in the last couple of days as far as I know.

Can national news websites target stories based on your location? I am in the North West and as it was near Bolton could that be why I saw a lot of it?

 

[Cid]

To what extent though? I think that’s why I find the story so curious. She hasn’t got the freedom to choose to not register the birth without falling on the wrong side of the law, I get that and I get why. But what else? She also must not be of no fixed abode, must not avoid cctv, refuse medical attention ? It can’t be that so what is it exactly that’s causing an appeal to the nation to report sightings (I know we don’t know the answer).

It's almost certainly a pattern of information that the police have followed up (or been pushed into following up). But really even the basic shit we do know; abandoned burning car, newborn, no registration, no contact with anyone would raise pretty extreme safeguarding concerns I'd think.

 

[not henry]

that passive aggression is off the chart now

hang fire I'll like another post (the archers are on)