kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Yes most definitely on the checklist! Have to make sure all the membranes are intact and also any anomalies- calcified bits- smokers have gritty bits I seem to remember.
Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn
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a proper, 'we're still on your case' update. but fuck me it has been cold for that poor baby.
skyscraper101
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£10k reward for info on this couple now.
news.sky.com
How do they know about the constant 'being awake' - how is that possible? There's so much confusing about all this.
New pictures released of missing couple and newborn baby as £10,000 reward offered for information
Detectives say the baby has been exposed to sub-zero temperatures for almost a month. Mark Gordon and Constance Marten were last seen on 8 January carrying bags containing a two-man tent, sleeping bags and pillows. Police say they could still be camping somewhere in the UK.
How do they know about the constant 'being awake' - how is that possible? There's so much confusing about all this.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
could it be they're talking shit?£10k reward for info on this couple now.
New pictures released of missing couple and newborn baby as £10,000 reward offered for information
Detectives say the baby has been exposed to sub-zero temperatures for almost a month. Mark Gordon and Constance Marten were last seen on 8 January carrying bags containing a two-man tent, sleeping bags and pillows. Police say they could still be camping somewhere in the UK.
How do they know about the constant 'being awake' - how is that possible? There's so much confusing about all this.
skyscraper101
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It just struck me as a weird thing to say. You'd only know if someone was constantly awake if you were either there, or had some other form of tracking on them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh it's very peculiar and leads me to suspect they have a deficit of the truth
Thora
Differently Ethical
Maybe if they were in built up, CCTV'd areas (Ring doorbells as well) they've now been able to piece together their movements for the first few days.
If they're moving about they're not sleeping. Perhaps there's a risk of post-partum psychosis if the mother has pre-existing mh difficulties and has had no sleep.
Athos
Well-Known Member
There's a few ways, I guess: CCTV, witnesses, or, most likely, phone records.
Cid
Proper break this time
I think I'd read this more as leaving an avenue open to turn themselves in than what they actually think.
Cid
Proper break this time
So we have been told. I imagine the truth is a bunch of it is poorly maintained, and they've cut many of the staff who know about it.
skyscraper101
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So here's what's been established (abbreviated from the met website)
Thursday, 5 January (18:33hrs), officers were called to a car on fire on the hard-shoulder of the M61, near junction four (Farnworth, Bolton). The occupants are not at the scene. Enquiries revealed that Constance and Mark were the occupants of the car and that Constance had very recently given birth, possibly one or two days before, and had not been assessed by medical professionals.
Friday, 6 January (03:30hrs) Officers believe they then travelled to Liverpool and then onwards to Harwich via a taxi. Mark, Constance and a baby were seen by a member of the public in Harwich at about 09:00hrs on Saturday, 7 January. Officers also received a number of confirmed sightings of the family in Colchester on Friday, 6 January and Saturday, 7 January.
Saturday, 7 January (10:30hrs and 12:30hrs) Essex Police carried out a number of enquiries and reviewed hours of CCTV and were able to place the couple near East Ham Station. They took a taxi from East Ham, being dropped off in Whitechapel Road at 18:14hrs. They went into Argos on Whitechapel Road, E1, at 18:19hrs on Saturday, 7 January to buy camping gear. Mark went in alone and bought two big bags full of items, paying in cash, including a blue two-man tent, two sleeping bags and two pillows. He left the store at 18:40hrs. They then spent slightly more than three hours walking around the Whitechapel Road area. They tried to flag down three black cabs, but were refused. They then left the area on foot and were last seen walking along Brick Lane, towards Bethnal Green Road, at 22:01hrs on Saturday, 7 January. Mark is often seen walking alone ahead of Constance and the baby.
This is the last official sighting of them.
It all sounds really desperate. A car fire, a newborn baby. All that moving around between Bolton, Liverpool, Harwich, Colchester, East London in a 48hr period. Camping gear?
The poor mother and baby.
Thursday, 5 January (18:33hrs), officers were called to a car on fire on the hard-shoulder of the M61, near junction four (Farnworth, Bolton). The occupants are not at the scene. Enquiries revealed that Constance and Mark were the occupants of the car and that Constance had very recently given birth, possibly one or two days before, and had not been assessed by medical professionals.
Friday, 6 January (03:30hrs) Officers believe they then travelled to Liverpool and then onwards to Harwich via a taxi. Mark, Constance and a baby were seen by a member of the public in Harwich at about 09:00hrs on Saturday, 7 January. Officers also received a number of confirmed sightings of the family in Colchester on Friday, 6 January and Saturday, 7 January.
Saturday, 7 January (10:30hrs and 12:30hrs) Essex Police carried out a number of enquiries and reviewed hours of CCTV and were able to place the couple near East Ham Station. They took a taxi from East Ham, being dropped off in Whitechapel Road at 18:14hrs. They went into Argos on Whitechapel Road, E1, at 18:19hrs on Saturday, 7 January to buy camping gear. Mark went in alone and bought two big bags full of items, paying in cash, including a blue two-man tent, two sleeping bags and two pillows. He left the store at 18:40hrs. They then spent slightly more than three hours walking around the Whitechapel Road area. They tried to flag down three black cabs, but were refused. They then left the area on foot and were last seen walking along Brick Lane, towards Bethnal Green Road, at 22:01hrs on Saturday, 7 January. Mark is often seen walking alone ahead of Constance and the baby.
This is the last official sighting of them.
It all sounds really desperate. A car fire, a newborn baby. All that moving around between Bolton, Liverpool, Harwich, Colchester, East London in a 48hr period. Camping gear?
The poor mother and baby.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Pretty much every other house on my street as a video doorbell so I'd assume that provides a lot of the coverage.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
In general CCTV is good for confirming what's already happened but the Jason Borne style tracking people in real time isn't an option. You're also probably not going to get access to it all in chronological order either, so it might have taken a while to fill in gaps. It might be that the police assumed the couple had decent transport and were getting from A-B quick enough to rest at B but have now discovered they're on foot or something
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
which is rather at odds with the 'they've bought a load of camping gear' and 'we don't know where they are and here's a large reward to show that we really don't know where they are'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's more of a chicken and egg thing that, was her mh a factor in this or is this a factor in her mh?
I'm sure its both. From what is known, which isn't much, all we can say is she seems vulnerable and is at risk of worsening MH including psychosis due to lack of sleep amongst other adverse circumstances.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Something I’ve noticed in reports is that a few times we’ve been told they were refused black cabs they flagged down.
So, the drivers must have passed that on or how would the cops know? Also, why are they being refused? In my experience if you’re very drunk. Maybe potentially if the driver doesn’t think you have money? Normally they just won’t pull over if they try to flag them down and they aren’t interested. So whats going on there?
So, the drivers must have passed that on or how would the cops know? Also, why are they being refused? In my experience if you’re very drunk. Maybe potentially if the driver doesn’t think you have money? Normally they just won’t pull over if they try to flag them down and they aren’t interested. So whats going on there?
Maybe they were trying to go south of the river. Standing on the ‘wrong’ side of the road, looking like that’s your destination, can be enough.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Maybe it's something to do with the baby? Like if they don't have a baby seat or something? I've never tried to travel with a baby in a taxi so idk how it works
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
So why are the cabs stopping and not just driving past? That’s what I’m wondering. It sounds more like an interaction that’s being reported rather than a non interaction, ifswim. (Also they’ve been outside London at least some of the time, so it’s not just a London thing).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Ah. Could be.
Athos
Well-Known Member
The cops might have seen it on cctv.
Athos
Well-Known Member
You can take them in a buggy.
Thora
Differently Ethical
I'd assume they'd watched the CCTV and seen them try to flag down taxis.
Maybe they were asking to go a long way and didn't on the face of it look like they'd have the money?
You don't need a car seat in a taxi, you can hold the baby or just put the whole push chair in.
Just a suggestion that made sense to me as an answer. Cabs do also stop, and then refuse when you’ve revealed your intentions before getting in - as I know to my cost, having grown up in the West End but with a father and grandparents who were Peckham people. Going to visit, you’d think ‘great, he’s stopped’, and once you’d said ‘can you go to Peckham?’ they’d say ‘sorry, I’m not going that way’ and off they’d go. It can take a few misses before you get a hit.
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