8ball
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I was tempted to sign the petition just to point this out, but I wasn’t sure whether we are officially a post-irony society yet.
Arise Sir Tony (Blair)
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I was tempted to sign the petition just to point this out, but I wasn’t sure whether we are officially a post-irony society yet.
Yes you're so much better than people like me and only your definitions count.
But I think you just have a deliberately stubborn and different meaning for the term extremist than me.
And what does mainstream society mean? And how do you know that I have 'no interaction' with it?
I don't consider myself superior either, though you seem to think you are that's for sure.
8ball
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Guitar bands, vaccine passports, new jeans when the magazines say the style is changing, three kids but no climate guilt because the third one was an accident, crippling mortgage on a house in a good catchment area, mid-price coffee machine.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
arrgh! Not in my name.
8ball
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Is your name “Garter”?
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
The ideas of "mainstream society" are generally the ideas of the ruling class. That's kind of how the system works and keeps on working. I say "generally" because there are exceptions, i.e. when revolutions happen. Blair is clearly an extremist because he was prepared to defend the ruling class and its ideas at the cost of millions of Iraqi (and other) lives. Sure you can say things like he was a centrist so how can the centre be extreme... I'd say, check the body count and the even more fucked up world (especially in the Middle East) that is his and his allies' legacy.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Very much this. It’s twisting language and morality out of all shape to say that it’s not extreme to cause the deaths of millions and the destruction of Iraqi infrastructure etc. Those are extreme outcomes.
As Marx and Engels say (in The German Ideology), “the ideas of the ruling class are, in every age, the ruling ideas”. That does not equate to them being “moderate”.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Another example would be climate change. Are the extremists those who glue themselves to motorways or those who have known the science for decades yet acquiesced (at best) with the destruction of the environment?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Including God's Oil-man on earth...who recently claimed that when he worked in the industry ideas about climate change were not then known about; fucking liar.
Steel Icarus
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Hackneyed shite.
Last footballer to get a knighthood was Kenny Dalglish, and it was for his services to football, charity and the enormous support he's given over the years to the Hillsborough families.
You could have picked any number of other unworthies like Denis Thatcher, Cyril Smith, or Nick Fucking Clegg, but no, you had a pop at an easy Mail target.
Whole system has always been rotten to the core, the establishment delousing itself with shiny things
Bob Hoskins also made it clear what he thought of the honours system. Hero’s don’t get medals off some old bint in her castle if they’re not the right kind of hero. Fuck the honours list and fuck you if you wanna be on it too.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Steel Icarus
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Trouble with this list is they were all seen as being entirely worthy of a high honour.
Tell me this teuchter - and this get's grim (imperialism is no jolly affair) - but, was implemtenting the sanctions on Iraq in the 1990's that deliberately denied vital medical supplies to Iraqi children, leading to atleast hundreds of thousands of their deaths, extremist? I know what I think the answer is and there are other words that I can think of related to that. The ruling class knew what the resullt of the sanctions were and didn't care, Madeleine Albright even stated that the cost of lives lost was 'worth it'.
That was supported by Blair's advisors and no doubt Blair himself.
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Sasaferrato
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Pure elitism, ultra-hierarchical, monarchist garbage of a royal rimmer.
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Sasaferrato
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Well, Saville was dead before his crime was made public, and I think you have to be still alive to have an 'honour' revoked, but I take you point.
From the Cabinet Office:
An honour can be withdrawn (or 'forfeited') for a variety of reasons, including criminal conviction and bringing the honours system into disrepute. Only living individuals are able to forfeit their honour. It is not possible to withdraw an honour from someone who has died.
Sasaferrato
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His past is considerably more murky than working in the oil business.
mojo pixy
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That would be the docu-series of the decade, the next Tiger King, Lionheart Blair
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
It's not possIble only because they say it's not possible.
Sasaferrato
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What would withdrawing Saville's knighthood achieve? It isn't as if there is a 'good name' to lose.
Again though, I take your point, whilst regarding it as a tad pointless. Stripping an honour from a dead person is hardly going to bother them, as they are dead.
Steel Icarus
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Which bit is utter bullshit?
Sasaferrato
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That I specifically targeted footballers. I targeted a class of people, sports people, who are extraordinarily well paid etc, but have done nothing of any real note or benefit to humanity.
Thomas Telford built the Caledonian Canal, still in use today, and it may be argued that by the creation of the canal, he was amongst the first environmentalists, the saving in fuel, primarily fishing boats not having to round the top of Scotland, was huge. His achievement stands today, Murray hitting a ball over a net will be forgotten in fifty years, whilst the Caledonian Canal will still be in use.
If honours must be given, give them to people of substance.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, it is because it’s just a made up thing. But they don’t seem to want to change the rules. For some reason.
Steel Icarus
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You literally said "some semi-articulate footballer". Which one were you referring to, or were you just saying all footballers are semi-articulate?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Steel Icarus
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Peter Sutcliffe was convinced he was "cleaning up the streets", so, you know
Sasaferrato
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Well, the football correspondent of the Times, when asked if he helped a footballer with his Tweets, replied 'Oh yes, I often write Tweets for him'. I can't remember which player it was (may have been in the Eye) , but on seeing footballers interviewed, few have any great level of articulacy.
Times football chief: I've written tweets for England players
Henry Winter has admitted that, despite being the chief football writer for The Times, he has written tweets for England players - and he's not the only one.
dailycannon.com
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Sasaferrato
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Possibly because it achieves nothing. In the case of Saville, he couldn't really be more reviled, so the 'loss' of his knighthood would hardly damage his reputation more.
I agree with you, if something has been done that would have it revoked in life, then posthumous removal should be possible. Pointless, but should be possible.
Write to your MP and suggest it.
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