Arise Sir Tony (Blair)

[teuchter]

He was a Tory

People also get off on saying this and it's also very silly.

 

[YouSir]

People also get off on saying this and it's also very silly.

Much like you then

 

[8ball]

There’s a petition on one of these liberal websites to get him stripped of it. Why?

SureStart?

 

[danny la rouge]

SureStart?

What about it?

 

[8ball]

What about it?

Bit incriminating.

 

[danny la rouge]

Bit incriminating.

I don’t see the relevance.

 

[8ball]

I don’t see the relevance.

 

[danny la rouge]

The ruling elites in this society like to reward people who serve them well. Baubles like knighthoods are just one way that happens.

It’s not as if the institution of knighthoodedness has been besmirched by the inclusion of Blair. What the fuck do people think a knighthood is?

 

[Sue]

This is very strange. What do people think honours are for?

 

[Sue]

The ruling elites in this society like to reward people who serve them well. Baubles like knighthoods are just one way that happens.

It’s not as if the institution of knighthoodedness has been besmirched by the inclusion of Blair. What the fuck do people think a knighthood is?

Ah snap.

 

[8ball]

The ruling elites in this society like to reward people who serve them well. Baubles like knighthoods are just one way that happens.

It’s not as if the institution of knighthoodedness has been besmirched by the inclusion of Blair. What the fuck do people think a knighthood is?

I think you misunderstood a couple of my posts which to be fair were more than a little obtuse, but let's take it as read from here that we are on the same page.

edit: To add a little further. I personally know people who have received honours for doing unambiguously Good Things (and a couple of cases where there was a little more ambiguity tbf).
I think everyone here is mature enough to understand how these are harnessed in the service of a halo effect, where at each stage up the food chain the acts (and actors) being rewarded become more and more questionable.

 

[Raheem]

This is very strange. What do people think honours are for?

Honours are generally awarded in order to make the honours system look credible. I don't see that it's unreasonably to query awards that fail this test.

 

[8ball]

Honours are generally awarded in order to make the honours system look credible.

One of several reasons imo.

And being fair, it does seem a funny time for Butcher Blair to be getting a gong.

 

[danny la rouge]

Man joins a club designed for people like him.

 

[Raheem]

One of several reasons imo.

And being fair, it does seem a funny time for Butcher Blair to be getting a gong.

Think Blair is probably getting it cos Johnson doesn't want to see the developing tradition that all PMs get something whither on the vine.

(And, yes, I know he was officially given it by the Queen, but come on.)

 

[Dystopiary]

Brenda fucking hated him though, it was reported she dreaded his weekly visits only less than that of Dour Brown's. And he bairned Cherie at Balmoral when their "contraceptive equipment" wasn't taken with them.

If he'd have shagged in my house I'd have to move. Fumigation wouldn't cut it. * shudder *

 

[krtek a houby]

Empire wankers

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

People also get off on saying this and it's also very silly.

Working class hero, from Fettes.

 

[Gramsci]

Sign the Petition

Tony Blair to have his "Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter" rescinded

www.change.org

Looking at the comments section main reason people are giving is Iraq. That a war criminal shouldn't get be honoured.

Its up to around 166.000 now in a few days.

Seems fair enough to start a petition to give a chance for people to say what they think of this.

 

[danny la rouge]

Sign the Petition

Tony Blair to have his "Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter" rescinded

www.change.org

Looking at the comments section main reason people are giving is Iraq. That a war criminal shouldn't get be honoured.

Its up to around 166.000 now in a few days.

Seems fair enough to start a petition to give a chance for people to say what they think of this.

It’s a false premise, though. War criminals do get honoured. I get that people are venting, but they’re misdirecting their energy due to poor political analysis. They seem to think the structure can be made honourable again. It can’t. The structure itself is rancid.

 

[Chilli.s]

The ruling elites in this society like to reward people who serve them well. Baubles like knighthoods are just one way that happens.

It’s not as if the institution of knighthoodedness has been besmirched by the inclusion of Blair. What the fuck do people think a knighthood is?

Exactly, it's a glorified whitewashing scheme in many ways, used to justify dodgy deals and unpleasant decisions as for the good of the state. Nationalistic class ridden disgrace used to pat the heads of good dogs.

 

[Gramsci]

It’s a false premise, though. War criminals do get honoured. I get that people are venting, but they’re misdirecting their energy due to poor political analysis. They seem to think the structure can be made honourable again. It can’t. The structure itself is rancid.

The problem I have with the petition is the beginning bit. Which appears to criticise the constitutional changes. Which I take to be devolution. This part of Blair Time in office I don't have a problem with.

And looking at comments the main reason people signed is Iraq.

Its all very well to tell people they have poor political analysis but Blair is recent history. This is someone who those whose actions directly affected this country. I don't think those who signed can be dismissed as just venting.

Do those who signed petition think the honour system can be made honourable? Looking at comments at least one also says honours system is crap as well. It's realistically going to be a mixture of people.

We are going to have to disagree but petition like this if it gets enough people to sign it sends a message that this honour doesn't have whole hearted public support.

 

[danny la rouge]

We are going to have to disagree but petition like this if it gets enough people to sign it sends a message that this honour doesn't have whole hearted public support.

And by implication that the majority of others do.

 

[Chilli.s]

If I got an honour (no chance) I'd want to receive it anonymously. Honournonymous in fact.

 

[Sue]

Do those who signed petition think the honour system can be made honourable? Looking at comments at least one also says honours system is crap as well. It's realistically going to be a mixture of people.

We are going to have to disagree but petition like this if it gets enough people to sign it sends a message that this honour doesn't have whole hearted public support.

People complaining about a crap implementation of something they already think is crap? That feels a bit pointless tbh.

And send a message to whom? Is that whom listening and do they care..?

 

[danny la rouge]

People complaining about a crap implementation of something they already think is crap? That feels a bit pointless tbh.

And send a message to whom? Is that whom listening and do they care..?

It’s literally a liberal outlook.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

People complaining about a crap implementation of something they already think is crap? That feels a bit pointless tbh.

And send a message to whom? Is that whom listening and do they care..?

It reminds us all that the political establishment is out of step with the general public on many 'moral' issues. We all know that, but it's good to reminded. A bit of implied criticism of her maj goes down well too.

 

[Pickman's model]

It reminds us all that the political establishment is out of step with the general public on many 'moral' issues. We all know that, but it's good to reminded. A bit of implied criticism of her maj goes down well too.

What was that quote about the Central committee being to the right of the party and the party being to the right of the people?

 

[Sue]

It reminds us all that the political establishment is out of step with the general public on many 'moral' issues. We all know that, but it's good to reminded. A bit of implied criticism of her maj goes down well too.

It does? How many people are signing this petition? I'm guessing not that large a percentage of the general public.

 

[Gramsci]

People complaining about a crap implementation of something they already think is crap? That feels a bit pointless tbh.

And send a message to whom? Is that whom listening and do they care..?

So do nothing then.