Are you a Nazi? Let Jane Austen fix that for you.

[killer b]

Looking at the sentencing guidelines, (p8 onwards) as far as I can tell he's in the very lowest culpability category and the lowest harm category, with a number of mitigating factors.

While the details of this sentence are unusual, I can easily imagine a young muslim convicted of similar offences and with a similar profile also escaping jail, with perhaps with some cultural or therapeutic engagement being a condition of the sentence. Actual data to support or refute this hunch is difficult to find though...

 

[Raheem]

I'd rather be banged up than read Dickens again.

Even if it was just a short sentence?

 

[SpookyFrank]

reading austen is more of a punishment

Wouldn't know, I've never read any. It seems to be all about toff women swooning about and I can't be bothered with any of that shit.

 

[killer b]

What's wrong with Dostoyevsky? Anna Karenina is about as good as literature gets. He should have included that in the sentence tbh

 

[killer b]

oh except dostoyevky didn't write it.

 

[killer b]

those russians all look the same to me tbf

 

[Ax^]

Wouldn't know, I've never read any. It seems to be all about toff women swooning about and I can't be bothered with any of that shit.

Dostoyevsky is cool as fuck murder, betrayals , poverty, jesus like figures and family revenge


jane auston women swooning and shit

 

[SpookyFrank]

What's wrong with Dostoyevsky? Anna Karenina is about as good as literature gets. He should have included that in the sentence tbh

I love Dostoevsky. He did not, however, write Anna Karenina.

I mentioned him because Pickman's model said:

Reading Jane Austen cruel and unusual punishment.

...which is quite similar to the name of the Dostoevsky novel 'Crime and Punishment'. So my post was a joke you see. A joke which you've all ruined by not being sophisticated enough to get it

 

[planetgeli]

Even if it was just a short sentence?

Dickens wasn't so bad. Long sentences should be Henry James. That is heading towards cruel and unusual.

Ulysses was a step too far though AnnO'Neemus you sick person. Have a word with yourself.

 

[bimble]

All these people who think Jane Austen is shit have never read any of her books.

 

[Ax^]

not saying she is shit just she is not going to cure racism

 

[BillRiver]

Imagine how all this feels to the Muslim men (and their loved ones) currently imprisoned in the UK on similar charges. What a message this sends!

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Dickens wasn't so bad. Long sentences should be Henry James. That is heading towards cruel and unusual.

Ulysses was a step too far though AnnO'Neemus you sick person. Have a word with yourself.

I know, I did hesitate and wonder if it might cross the line into torture, what with it being a cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Ax^]

so who is this guy related to plod, lawyers or the judge


or is just a case of the family having money

 

[Steel Icarus]

F Scott Fitzgerald suits long sentences - I got three pages into The Great Gatsby without the merest hint that a full stop was headed balefully in my direction to relieve me of my torment.

 

[kalidarkone]

Imagine how all this feels to the Muslim men (and their loved ones) currently imprisoned in the UK on similar charges. What a message this sends!

I expect they are used to it by now....the racism and double standard.

 

[BillRiver]

I expect they are used to it by now....the racism and double standard.

Yep. So am I, but I'm still shocked all over again, every time.

 

[andysays]

I love Dostoevsky. He did not, however, write Anna Karenina.

I mentioned him because Pickman's model said:



...which is quite similar to the name of the Dostoevsky novel 'Crime and Punishment'. So my post was a joke you see. A joke which you've all ruined by not being sophisticated enough to get it

He was, however, famously arrested in 1849 for belonging to a literary group that discussed banned books critical of Tsarist Russia, and sentenced to death although the sentence was commuted at the last moment. He then spent four years in a Siberian prison camp, followed by six years of compulsory military service in exile

So maybe he has a place on the thread after all...

 

[Pickman's model]

You're thinking of Dostoevszky there, not Austen.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that it is both cruel and unusual to force someone to read Jane Austen

 

[BillRiver]

Looking at the sentencing guidelines, (p8 onwards) as far as I can tell he's in the very lowest culpability category and the lowest harm category, with a number of mitigating factors.

While the details of this sentence are unusual, I can easily imagine a young muslim convicted of similar offences and with a similar profile also escaping jail, with perhaps with some cultural or therapeutic engagement being a condition of the sentence. Actual data to support or refute this hunch is difficult to find though...

I think you are mistaken, tbh.

By way of the exception proving the rule - here is an example of a Muslim woman getting a suspended sentence where the judge himself described his decision to suspended her sentence as an “exceptional” step.

Sister of jailed jihadist given suspended sentence over 'misguided loyalty'

"She was sentenced by Judge Andrew Lees on Tuesday after a jury found her guilty in February of failing to disclose information about acts of terrorism between 13 April and 3 July 2019 following a trial alongside her brother.
He said he had decided to take the “exceptional” step of suspending her prison sentence, imposing a 60-day rehabilitation requirement and notification order, after finding that she did not “present a risk or danger to the public. I accept you were subject to controlling behaviour by the male members of your family,” the judge told her. “Nevertheless, your relationship with your brother is very close. There is no evidence that you shared or had any interest in his extremist views. I accept you didn’t do what you should’ve done out of a misguided loyalty to your brother.”


Exceptional.

Highly unusual.

(Unless you are a right-wing white boy).

 

[marty21]

I think the judge should have banged him up AND told him to read that stuff And tested him on it AND increased the sentence if he fucked up on the tests.

 

[BillRiver]

I think the judge should have banged him up AND told him to read that stuff And tested him on it AND increased the sentence if he fucked up on the tests.

I think the judge should order the prison service to provide every single prisoner with their own copy of every one of these books (and more).

 

[killer b]

I think you are mistaken, tbh.

By way of the exception proving the rule - here is an example of a Muslim woman getting a suspended sentence where the judge himself described his decision to suspended her sentence as an “exceptional” step.

Sister of jailed jihadist given suspended sentence over 'misguided loyalty'

Exceptional.

Highly unusual.

(Unless you are a right-wing white boy).

From the digging I've done this afternoon, this case seems pretty exceptional too tbf.

 

[BillRiver]

From the digging I've done this afternoon, this case seems pretty exceptional too tbf.

In its specifics, yes, obviously.

In it being part of a pattern of institutional racism going back longer than I've been alive, it's not exceptional at all.

 

[Ax^]

is it true he was only really charge with the cookbook stuff





jesus you more likely to killl yourself with that book

the hard drives full of anti semetic and right wing shit is more worrying

 

[A380]

reading austen is more of a punishment

the logic is a little fucked readed literature of an idelised time with no people of colour present in them


they have that bit down already

Well apart from all the people who's labour was paying for those lovely houses and sumptuous balls. Except they were on sugar plantations half a world away...

 

[killer b]

In its specifics, yes, obviously.

In it being part of a pattern of institutional racism going back longer than I've been alive, it's not exceptional at all.

Its exceptional in that most neo nazis convicted of similar crimes (that I've been able to find at least) recieve custodial sentences too.

 

[Ax^]

Well apart from all the people who's labour was paying for those lovely houses and sumptuous balls. Except they were on sugar plantations half a world away...

fair play sir i've never read Austin


saying that white people being in charge is not something we really want nazi to be reminising and enjoying

thats were they get thier kicks

 

[bimble]

Whatever the weirdness & probably racistness of this judgement , the idea that reading (good) fiction increases your capacity for empathy is pretty much proven i think.

But also , about half of the Uk’s prison population are ‘functionally illiterate’, forcing people to read Victorian novels isn’t necessarily the answer.

 

[JimW]

Frantz Fanon or something would have been more like it.