And next, Syria?

[Casually Red]

e2a the title of his piece is particularly laughable especially in light of Dasmascus's support of [URL='https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2009/02/28/syrias-role-in-the-iraq-insurgency/']Sunni Jihadist insurgents in Iraq[/URL]

I think if we ignore such Zionist nonsense and instead look at what we can actually prove , what the yanks themselves have actually admitted to, then we can see who's actually responsible for empowering , arming and financing groups such as IS , Al nusra etc in Syria .

This was a good interview with the horses mouth . Discussing that report from back in 2012 . 2 years prior to the US volte face in Syria were daesh became an enemy all of a sudden .


Transcript: Michael Flynn on ISIL

Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq | Seumas Milne


And another horses mouth, admitting who was funding daesh .

General Dempsey acknowledges US Arab allies funding ISIS | C-SPAN.org


It's also a definite that it wasn't Assad who'd procured these ammunition stockpiles found in Daeshes capital that had only been purchased by the US and the Saudis 2 months earlier . The people they were giving it to were immediately transferring it to Daesh . And as they admit they knew that for years, but kept doing it anyway .

IS conflict: How is it getting hold of weapons from the West? - BBC News


Anyone trying to lay the blame of Daeshes rise at Assads door demands we completely ignore who's actually been arming and funding them, praising them , fighting alongside them and generally using them for their own ends for years now . Such people are mendacious wankers insulting everyone else's intelligence .

 

[butchersapron]

We have the regime openly letting jihadis out whilst keeping others in prison in order to sectarianise the revolution - whilst opening the door and rolling the welcome matt out for irania, lebanese, pakistani and afghan jihadis. Empowering, arming and financing them.

 

[rekil]

Reading these reports reminds me of accounts of torture and rape in Chilean prisons after the Pinochet coup.

Similar methods to those used all over Latin America at that time. Off the scale sadism and a great emphasis on the wider psychological effect.

 

[teqniq]

I think if we ignore such Zionist nonsense and instead look at what we can actually prove , what the yanks themselves have actually admitted to, then we can see who's actually responsible for empowering , arming and financing groups such as IS , Al nusra etc in Syria .

This was a good interview with the horses mouth . Discussing that report from back in 2012 . 2 years prior to the US volte face in Syria were daesh became an enemy all of a sudden .


Transcript: Michael Flynn on ISIL

Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq | Seumas Milne


And another horses mouth, admitting who was funding daesh .

General Dempsey acknowledges US Arab allies funding ISIS | C-SPAN.org


It's also a definite that it wasn't Assad who'd procured these ammunition stockpiles found in Daeshes capital that had only been purchased by the US and the Saudis 2 months earlier . The people they were giving it to were immediately transferring it to Daesh . And as they admit they knew that for years, but kept doing it anyway .

IS conflict: How is it getting hold of weapons from the West? - BBC News


Anyone trying to lay the blame of Daeshes rise at Assads door demands we completely ignore who's actually been arming and funding them, praising them , fighting alongside them and generally using them for their own ends for years now . Such people are mendacious wankers insulting everyone else's intelligence .

Seeing as how you insist on repeatedly quoting me you fucking tool, I'll remind you that you have now accused me twice of supporting Jihadis. The first time ages ago I called you out on it asking you to provide evidence and you went all quiet, so I'll ask you again provide evidence or STFU.

Also if you choose to ignore the evidence of the regime's active collusion and support of extremists despite there being evidence all over this thread and the net in general, you need to take your head out of your arse.

 

[Casually Red]

Seeing as how you insist on repeatedly quoting me you fucking tool, I'll remind you that you have now accused me twice of supporting Jihadis. The first time ages ago I called you out on it asking you to provide evidence and you went all quiet, so I'll ask you again provide evidence or STFU.

Also if you choose to ignore the evidence of the regime's active collusion and support of extremists despite there being evidence all over this thread and the net in general, you need to take your head out of your arse.

There's no evidence of any such thing anywhere . Just some half arsed assertions from a few wankers that don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever . And I'll just bump this again to highlight what happens to anyone who does dare scutinise half arsed assertions coming from such wankers .

Controlling the Narrative on Syria | MR Online


You support the armed overthrow of the Syrian state . The people who are engaged in that are overwhelmingly groups such as Al Qaeda and their various affiliates and offshoots . The overthrow of Syria is a jihad . And you support it .

And here's some more horses mouth, courtesy of Joe Biden this time .

Biden: Turks, Saudis, UAE funded and armed Al Nusra and Al Qaeda

That's who's been supporting the Wahhabist loons .To the tune of billions . Certainly not the Syrian government who've lost over 100,000 troops fighting them .

Eta

And I'll remind you yet again of what Fisk said . They've been fighting them for years before Obama put his little coalition...comprising of Daesh sponsors..together .

 

[butchersapron]

The syrian regime has imported thousand of shia loons to fight Syrians demanding that the regime stops killing their family, stops barel bombing them and killing now hundreds of thousands of people. Fisk, entirely embedded in the SAA, tells us what the SAA wants him to say.

Note very well this loons ignoring of the FSA - the pretence that all opposition is jihadi. As his faves burn torture and kill an all non-jihadis in order to speed jihadi victory.

 

[teqniq]

Casually Red Liar. I initially supported the peaceful protests which were then fired upon by government forces; but this has already been gone over countless times as I am sure you are perfectly well aware. Many people subsequently took up arms as they felt in light of the massacre of unarmed civilians that they had no choice. As has also been gone over is the fact that the jihadi element to the conflict that ensued was ably assisted by the regime's emptying the prisons which coincidentally contained a lot of (quelle surpise) extremists. You seem to be mentally incapable of comprehending the regime's capacity for double dealing and duplicity. You are also I surmise trolling to a degree but it is poor trolling really. 0/10.

 

[Casually Red]

butchersapron Yeah I attempted to read that article by Fisk the other day, unfortunately it is indeed propaganda which is a shame but only to be expected wrt to him and Syria.

e2a the title of his piece is particularly laughable especially in light of Dasmascus's support of Sunni Jihadist insurgents in Iraq

I'm assuming this is some of the evidence you are talkinging about . The problem with this sourceless , evidence free guff that only began emerging after the yanks sought regime change in Syria AND to place the blame of Daesh on Assad..as opposed to themselves and their allies.. is it's directly contradicted by the yanks own files .

This cable is a record of the meetings the yanks were having with the Syrians at the time , addressing Syrian co operation in curbing jihadists in Iraq and crosses border security. Absolutely nowhere is it asserted the Syrians were in any manner assisting , encouraging or even turning a blind eye to the wahhabists . Quite the reverse . In fact it thanks praises the Syrians for their efforts and acknowledges the jihadists are regarded as a major threat to Syrian national security by the Syrians who are keen to stamp them out .

Cable: 10DAMASCUS159_a

Your evidence is a load of old self serving shite cobbled together on the hoof many years later . It's pitiful .

 

[teqniq]

The record's stuck

 

[butchersapron]

At the time? Note the date on this. Note the lack of notice of US/regime co-operation in rendering. Note the not mentioning of the Syrian regime clearing their prisons and opening of the border to jihadis in iraq.

 

[Casually Red]

Casually Red Liar. I initially supported the peaceful protests which were then fired upon by government forces; but this has already been gone over countless times as I am sure you are perfectly well aware. Many people subsequently took up arms as they felt in light of the massacre of unarmed civilians that they had no choice. As has also been gone over is the fact that the jihadi element to the conflict that ensued was ably assisted by the regime's emptying the prisons which coincidentally contained a lot of (quelle surpise) extremists. You seem to be mentally incapable of comprehending the regime's capacity for double dealing and duplicity. You are also I surmise trolling to a degree but it is poor trolling really. 0/10.

The " peaceful protests " also involved the killings of numerous security personnel and the burning of government right from the outset . The MB , which has a bloodsoaked sectarian history in Syria, we're heavily involved from day one .

http://foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_u...yria-MuslimBrotherhoodPressureIntensifies.pdf

You are ..as per usual...pushing the same old false narrative .


Again what you state as fact is no such thing . Al baghdadi was released from a US prison , not a Syrian one .

Obama RELEASED warlord head of ISIS extremist army five years ago | Daily Mail Online

Some Islamists were indeed released . That was what the protestors demanded . Along with the closure of Damascus casinos and the relaxation of prohibitions on religious dress in public . The demands from many protestors were Islamic in nature from the outset .
If you have any evidence of Assad " emptying the prisons " then feel free to post it. But to claim 3 weeks into the protest and long before any insurgency the release of Zahran Alloush means Assad wanted IS and Al Qaeda to dominate the opposition is a load of old bollocks . He was giving into the protestors demands . Placating the very conservative Sunni constituency that took up arms in their jihad against the ungodly .

Those protests came from the mosques , not the universities . They were always Islamic and sectarian in nature . That element was always there and Assad had nothing to do with it .


Eta

And to continue to place the blame at Assads feet for Al Q and Daesh in the face of them being armed and financed to the tune of billions for years by a host of countries seeking the overthrow of Assad is simply pitiful . You seem to wear your mendacity as a badge of pride .

 

[teqniq]

Definitely delusional and also stuck in a time warp.

 

[Casually Red]

Like I said, a badge of pride .

 

[rekil]

Casually Red You are also I surmise trolling to a degree but it is poor trolling really. 0/10.

He has been trolling this whole forum since he slimed onto it really, and this thread in particular.



I suspect that the objective of this latest burst of mess is to bury the torture report post. He should be applauded for learning the name of one Syrian (Bana) who is not Bashar or Asma though. It only took nearly 7 years. Incidentally, until at least 2011, like the braindead Gallowayite he is, he was cheering on jihadis no matter what they got up to, and compared them to the IRA. Life comes at you fast etc.

e2a: lol at expecting the fash cunt to even click on an article with the word "jewish" in the site title.

Kyle Orton article on same subject which has been covered here I dunno how many times already.

Death of a Caliphate Founder and the Role of Assad

Abu al-Atheer was among the jihadi-Salafists released by the regime of Bashar al-Assad at the beginning of Syria’s uprising in an attempt to make self-fulfilling the regime’s claim that the opposition were terrorists, and was also a seminal figure in making Syria so dangerous for journalists that it allowed Assad and IS to shape the coverage as if Syria was a binary choice between them.

At the outset of the Syrian uprising in 2011, Assad released hundreds of jihadis—while continuing to arrest and kill peaceful, secular activists—in a deliberate effort to foment a sectarian war that could position the regime as a guardian of the minorities and a barrier to a terrorist takeover. Atheer was also one of these jihadis, freed from the infamous Sednaya prison in May or June 2011.

In the summer of 2002, after depositing a dozen or so jihadi leaders in Baghdad in May, Zarqawi moved into Syria to set up the networks that brought the foreign fighters into Iraq—and which operated with the full complicity, indeed the oversight and logistical support, of the Assad regime. While there, Zarqawi planned with Assad for the assassination of a US diplomat in Jordan, which took place in October.

 

[butchersapron]

The " peaceful protests " also involved the killings of numerous security personnel and the burning of government right from the outset . The MB , which has a bloodsoaked sectarian history in Syria, we're heavily involved from day one .
.

No it didn't. It took months of attacks by the regime on peaceful protests - hundreds of dead bodies - to provoke any armed response. The thousands in prison at this point, being tortured and killed do no exist.

 

[teqniq]

righty ho then

Torture and Sexual Violence Against Women in Assad’s Detention Centres - A 36 page report by Syrian NGO 'Lawyers and Doctors for Human Rights'

http://ldhrights.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Voices-from-the-Dark.pdf

8 cases covered.

more of the same in the .pdf

 

[Casually Red]

righty ho then



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more of the same in the .pdf

Any idea who funds this crew ? They're based in Gazantiep , turkey but they seem very coy about who their mystery donor is . Seems just as anonymous as these alleged victims .

Btw do you agree with their call for the immediate release of "all political prisoners " in Syria ? You've been giving out about this the last time Assad caved to such demands . Do you think it would be wise to release thousands of jihadis onto the streets ? . They do . Their mystery donor might too . And their demands for action taken by the international players strike me as involving regime change, pretty much .

A piece here by Max Blumenthal ..who started out supporting regime change...regarding how some of these Syrian NGOs are quite a shady lot indeed .

Inside the Shadowy PR Firm That’s Lobbying for Regime Change in Syria

 

[teqniq]

Unfounded speculation with no supporting evidence and an attempt to bury to you (and to me but for different reasons), unwelcome news. Again.

Where does your claim that 'thousands of jihadis ' would be released onto the streets originate? Source please.

Btw anything to say about Saydnaya prison or the repeated targeting of medical facilities and personnel by both the regime and Russian forces? Are Amnesty international and Medecins sans frontieres shadowy organisations?

Oh silly me, of course I forgot you had nothing to say last time when repeatedly asked. Why should anything have changed?

 

[Casually Red]

My claim that thousands of jihadis would be released onto the streets originates from the simple basis that there's thousands of jihadis in Syrias jails . Releasing them wouldn't be a good idea I reckon . The anonymously funded Turkish based NGO you're promoting thinks differently . They're calling for their immediate release in that document you're touting .

Neither Amnesty international nor MSF are present on the ground in Syria, because the Syrian rebels would kidnap them , ransom them , chop their heads off and stuff like that . So instead they rely on reports from " activists " . Time and time again we've seen these activists exposed as outright liars and fabricators entangled with the jihadists . The white helmets "mannequin challenge " being the latest example . I pay as much attention to anything coming from their output as I do to the likes of Bana . None .

 

[teqniq]

But still you provide no source for your 'claim' and msf were relying on reports from qualified health care professionals not affiliated to anyone in particular. Furthermore both organisations have a reputation for honesty. Unlike yourself. I call bullshit.

 

[Casually Red]

But still you provide no source for your 'claim' and msf were relying on reports from qualified health care professionals not affiliated to anyone in particular. Furthermore both organisations have a reputation for honesty. Unlike yourself. I call bullshit.

Really ? Were you calling bullshit when they were claiming the YPG was engaged in widespread ethnic cleansing in Syria ?

Syria: US ally’s razing of villages amounts to war crimes

Are they being honest in your opinion ?


Eta

The source for my claim is on page 5 of that document you yourself are promoting . It calls for the immediate release of all political detainees in Syria . And also calls on the international community ...namely the western powers who will be negotiating against Syria ...to do all in their power to secure their release . Many thousands of these detainees are affiliated to extremist jihadis . That's self evident .

Do you agree or disagree with this stance ?

 

[butchersapron]

Now that the YPG are allied with your regime - are these claims true or fake?

 

[butchersapron]

My claim that thousands of jihadis would be released onto the streets originates from the simple basis that there's thousands of jihadis in Syrias jails . Releasing them wouldn't be a good idea I reckon . The anonymously funded Turkish based NGO you're promoting thinks differently . They're calling for their immediate release in that document you're touting .

Neither Amnesty international nor MSF are present on the ground in Syria, because the Syrian rebels would kidnap them , ransom them , chop their heads off and stuff like that . So instead they rely on reports from " activists " . Time and time again we've seen these activists exposed as outright liars and fabricators entangled with the jihadists . The white helmets "mannequin challenge " being the latest example . I pay as much attention to anything coming from their output as I do to the likes of Bana . None .

Edited video that claims to be un-edited. Marv.

 

[teqniq]

Still no source for your 'claim' then?

I have stated on this thread before that atrocities have been committed by all sides in this conflict, but by far the worse have been the depredations of the regime.

 

[Casually Red]

Still no source for your 'claim' then?

I have stated on this thread before that atrocities have been committed by all sides in this conflict, but by far the worse have been the depredations of the regime.

Ill repeat .

The source for my claim is on page 5 of that document you yourself are promoting . It calls for the immediate release of all political detainees in Syria . And also calls on the international community ...namely the western powers who will be negotiating against Syria ...to do all in their power to secure their release . Many thousands of these detainees are affiliated to extremist jihadis . That's self evident .

Do you agree or disagree with this stance ?


So you are saying that Amnesty International are correct that the Ypd has been engaged in widespread ethnic cleansing ? Can we clarify that ? You agree Amnesty are telling the truth and not bullshitting ?

My stance is they are bullshitting, that they're bullshitters when it comes to Syria . That they're dishonest . But you appear to be saying they're telling the truth . Are you ?

 

[teqniq]

You said the prisons are full of jihadists, you have provided no evidence or source for this claim. The report calls them political prisoners. This does not mean that they are jihadists.

 

[teqniq]

Speaking of jihadists

 

[Casually Red]

So..you are actually saying this...you don't believe there are thousands of Islamic extremists locked up in Syrias prisons as a result of this conflict ? You are actually saying this

And you've completely swerved the issue on Amnesty internationals blatant bullshitting as regards Ypg ethnic cleansing in Syria ? You appeared to be accepting their bullshitting as truthful earlier but you've done a complete swerve now and are afraid to touch it .

 

[teqniq]

I am still waiting for you to provide evidence for your 'claim' but going on past form you will do plenty of swerving distraction and ignoring to evade actually answering the question.

 

[butchersapron]

So..you are actually saying this...you don't believe there are thousands of Islamic extremists locked up in Syrias prisons as a result of this conflict ? You are actually saying this

And you've completely swerved the issue on Amnesty internationals blatant bullshitting as regards Ypg ethnic cleansing in Syria ? You appeared to be accepting their bullshitting as truthful earlier but you've done a complete swerve now and are afraid to touch it .

There a whole lot more out there - funded and empowered by your regime. This jihadis victory is yours - why don't you want the credit?