Anarchist Federation

[ViolentPanda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Attica
There are simply too many people not in the organisations.


But what about the infamous Autonomous Class War?

"Infamous"?

More "largely fantasy-based ego-massage project", surely?

 

[The Black Hand]

"Infamous"?

More "largely fantasy-based ego-massage project", surely?

That's you that is

 

[october_lost]

BTw i am in MANY organisations

Your little political sect doesn't count, nor do those historical groups you refer to.

I would like to see more honest and open exchanges of ideas and the decision making processes because at the minute it does not exist. The anarchists have very low standards...

Honest!!
Exchanging ideas can only happen when people gain trust, something your far away from achieving judging by the rubbish you spout. Im not adverse from having better links with the other groups, but ideas germinate when people make the effort to engage with others constructively.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's you that is

Really? Are you quite sure?

I could have sworn it was you who can't resist spamming Urban about your latest project!

 

[october_lost]

While we're soemwhat less than consistant on industrial strategy at the moment, I'm not sure what you mean by "several clearly stated positions". We've got that bit in Beyond Resistance about workplace resistance groups and on of our aims and principles, neither of which contradict each other.

The practice acknowleged within the AF for some time is based on several positions; outside and against, support for IWW, workplace resistance (outside the IWW) and there are anarchosyndicalists within the AF.

 

[The Black Hand]

Really? Are you quite sure?

No you and your 30k + post count - YOU are your latest project...

 

[In Bloom]

The practice acknowleged within the AF for some time is based on several positions; outside and against, support for IWW, workplace resistance (outside the IWW) and there are anarchosyndicalists within the AF.

As I've said, we are a little inconsistant on industrial strategy in practice, which is a problem, but that's not the same as the AF having several different explicitly stated positions as an organisation.

 

[The Black Hand]

A) Your little political sect doesn't count, nor do those historical groups you refer to.

B) Honest!!
Exchanging ideas can only happen when people gain trust, something your far away from achieving judging by the rubbish you spout. Im not adverse from having better links with the other groups, but ideas germinate when people make the effort to engage with others constructively.

A) Which 'little political sect' do you mean? Autonomous Class War?Conference of Socialist Economists, Capital and Class? Industrial Workers of the World? Mayday? North East Labour History? Platypus 1917? Socialist History? Durham Miners Association? UCATT? UCU? There are so many things I have my eye upon politically, and I have just mentioned the more 'in your face' political ones. Which ones of these count and which do not? I do not know what you mean or what terms of judgement you use either, your terms of reference appear hierarchical to me.

B) I've tried being nice, doing things 'constructively' for a long time. It didn't budge you lot an inch. You do not seem to appreciate the depth of the crisis and are happy fiddling 'while Rome burns'. That is not very anarchist as far as I can see. You lot seem happy in your completely unambitious, and completely marginal status. HOW LONG CAN THAT GO ON? What you do now is nowhere near enough given the lack of time we have, and so why given your (aimed at everybody and not just you) serial failure is treading water considered enough? 'Existing' is no longer acceptable - if it ever was.

The answer is not organisational - everything should be got rid of which doesn't contribute to directly building class struggles and class consciousness. Duplicated work should be merged. The magazines should acknowledge that all they are is INTERNAL position propaganda and should scale down and continue on that basis only. They should no longer pretend that it is possible that they could be popular or mass forms when clearly they are all past their sell by date.

New and popular forms of participation and struggle should be the focus of debate and these new propaganda forms need developing asap.

One bookfair a year does not a movement or politics make comrades.

 

[The Black Hand]

Is there not a role for you in unifying the national anarchist scene?

The existing organisations, and Black Flag even, clearly are happy with their low standards. I do not know why? Why are they fooling themselves that what they do is enough? I do not know that either.

Mayday has tried to be a synthesis of a magazine and a journal - to show that there is much theoretical work to do, and to show that there are popular experiments in politics that can be made autonomously. A by product of that is to show the difference between the basic movement magazines and something a bit cleverer. The margin is wide and easily identifiable, not because Mayday is hyper intellectual (nothing like the ramblings of Hardt and Negri, or Deleuze and Guttari), but because movement magazine standards are so low.

 

[Paul Marsh]

The existing organisations, and Black Flag even, clearly are happy with their low standards. I do not know why? Why are they fooling themselves that what they do is enough? I do not know that either.

Mayday has tried to be a synthesis of a magazine and a journal - to show that there is much theoretical work to do, and to show that there are popular experiments in politics that can be made autonomously. A by product of that is to show the difference between the basic movement magazines and something a bit cleverer. The margin is wide and easily identifiable, not because Mayday is hyper intellectual (nothing like the ramblings of Hardt and Negri, or Deleuze and Guttari), but because movement magazine standards are so low.

 

[Paul Marsh]

I've tried being nice, doing things 'constructively' for a long time. It didn't budge you lot an inch. You do not seem to appreciate the depth of the crisis and are happy fiddling 'while Rome burns'. That is not very anarchist as far as I can see. You lot seem happy in your completely unambitious, and completely marginal status. HOW LONG CAN THAT GO ON? What you do now is nowhere near enough given the lack of time we have, and so why given your (aimed at everybody and not just you) serial failure is treading water considered enough? 'Existing' is no longer acceptable - if it ever was.

The answer is not organisational - everything should be got rid of which doesn't contribute to directly building class struggles and class consciousness. Duplicated work should be merged. The magazines should acknowledge that all they are is INTERNAL position propaganda and should scale down and continue on that basis only. They should no longer pretend that it is possible that they could be popular or mass forms when clearly they are all past their sell by date.

New and popular forms of participation and struggle should be the focus of debate and these new propaganda forms need developing asap.

One bookfair a year does not a movement or politics make comrades.

 

[october_lost]

A) Which 'little political sect' do you mean? Autonomous Class War?Conference of Socialist Economists, Capital and Class? Industrial Workers of the World? Mayday? North East Labour History? Platypus 1917? Socialist History? Durham Miners Association? UCATT? UCU? There are so many things I have my eye upon politically, and I have just mentioned the more 'in your face' political ones. Which ones of these count and which do not? I do not know what you mean or what terms of judgement you use either, your terms of reference appear hierarchical to me.

Several of those are bookclubs and history groups of which you know full well, so trying to dazzle me with the number of groups your invovled in is just a sad way of trying to pull wrank on me. Lets go back, how many of these are 'national organisations' which are pulling anarchism out of its dark ages?

B) I've tried being nice, doing things 'constructively' for a long time. It didn't budge you lot an inch. You do not seem to appreciate the depth of the crisis and are happy fiddling 'while Rome burns'. That is not very anarchist as far as I can see. You lot seem happy in your completely unambitious, and completely marginal status. HOW LONG CAN THAT GO ON? What you do now is nowhere near enough given the lack of time we have, and so why given your (aimed at everybody and not just you) serial failure is treading water considered enough? 'Existing' is no longer acceptable - if it ever was.

The answer is not organisational - everything should be got rid of which doesn't contribute to directly building class struggles and class consciousness. Duplicated work should be merged. The magazines should acknowledge that all they are is INTERNAL position propaganda and should scale down and continue on that basis only. They should no longer pretend that it is possible that they could be popular or mass forms when clearly they are all past their sell by date.

New and popular forms of participation and struggle should be the focus of debate and these new propaganda forms need developing asap.

One bookfair a year does not a movement or politics make comrades.

Which brings us to two very important questions - whats wrong with anarchism and how do we effect change within the anarchist movement and wider?

While I appreciate you seem good on the former, you seem to be pretty shit at the latter. Change will come by constructive dialogue or providing praxis which gets results above those your criticising. Were all parts of the whole and I sometimes think that anarchists forget themselves that change can't simply come about by appealing to a select amount of people.

BTW your so wrong about merging the various groups together, its unworkable.

 

[The Black Hand]

The existing organisations, and Black Flag even, clearly are happy with their low standards. I do not know why? Why are they fooling themselves that what they do is enough? I do not know that either.

Mayday has tried to be a synthesis of a magazine and a journal - to show that there is much theoretical work to do, and to show that there are popular experiments in politics that can be made autonomously. A by product of that is to show the difference between the basic movement magazines and something a bit cleverer. The margin is wide and easily identifiable, not because Mayday is hyper intellectual (nothing like the ramblings of Hardt and Negri, or Deleuze and Guttari), but because movement magazine standards are so low.

True though.

 

[The Black Hand]

BTW your so wrong about merging the various groups together, its unworkable.

I'm not talking about merging them. Let them keep their autonomy and identity, the concentration should be on doing things new together, without illusions or prejeudice, and with all our might and see what happens...

 

[The Black Hand]

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No politics or ideas as usual eh Paul. Why do you bother? You are so out of your depth its tragic.

 

[JHE]

The existing organisations, and Black Flag even, clearly are happy with their low standards. I do not know why? Why are they fooling themselves that what they do is enough? I do not know that either.

Mayday has tried to be a synthesis of a magazine and a journal - to show that there is much theoretical work to do, and to show that there are popular experiments in politics that can be made autonomously. A by product of that is to show the difference between the basic movement magazines and something a bit cleverer. The margin is wide and easily identifiable, not because Mayday is hyper intellectual (nothing like the ramblings of Hardt and Negri, or Deleuze and Guttari), but because movement magazine standards are so low.

True though.

Quite right!

Hear hear!

Couldn't have put it better myself.

All agreed then?

Brig, you are fuckin shameless!

 

[The Black Hand]

Brig, you are fuckin shameless!

Given all that Paul has is hot air it is entirely justified. His toupee hovvers upon his head he's so full of hot air. Nothing to say, no politics, no proposals, period.

 

[JHE]

Well, you are no Napoleon. You're more a cross between Tigger and Don Quijote.

 

[The Black Hand]

Well, you are no Napoleon. You're more a cross between Tigger and Don Quijote.

You (collective you) like my writing because;

cos it is fascinating
cos it is provocative
cos it is symbolic
cos it is seductive
cos it is passionate, impassioned
cos it is attractive
cos it is imaginative
cos it is serious
cos it is well grounded
cos it is cunjuring
cos it is dramaturgical
cos it is made with infinite love
cos it is cogent
cos it plays with our feelings and spirit
cos it is suggestive
cos it is intolerant
cos it is disquieting
cos it is allegorical
cos it is dialectical
cos it is political
cos it is historical
cos it is adventurous
cos it is suggestive of an adventure
cos it involves movement
cos it involves change
cos it is prophetic
cos it is always self renewing
cos it never stands still
cos it cannot be written off easily
cos it is always becoming
cos it is always progressing
cos it is against conservative thought in all its forms
cos its time has come
cos its time is the other time, a special time where the past meets the future
cos it is celestial
cos it is erotic, suggestive even
cos it is primitive
cos it is the continuation of the continual, mobile perpetuum of stimulation or of imagination
cos it makes the art of writing the writing of art
cos it makes politics an art and art political
cos it is incandecent, cauterising, burning, napalm
cos it is done with passion and fire
cos it is materialist
cos it makes objective chance conscious
cos it speaks of the possibilities and subjectivity within objectivity
cos it speaks of the objectivity of subjectivity
cos it allows the unconscious and supressed thoughts to be voiced
cos it is inexhaustible like a great thought
cos it is in the natural state it flows freely like a mighty river
cos it is truly free, i fear nothing and no one, the only thing to fear is fear itself
cos it is romantic in the great British tradition (William Blake, Morris etc)
cos it speaks with and of the power of autonomy
cos it speaks of a new and powerful romantic autonomy which is to come and can liberate everybody
cos it is surrealist, assimilating the greatest physical, chemical, sociological, psycho-geographical, physiological, psychological, criminological, psychoanalytical conquests and all science in development, and because it is free of all the conventional frontiers and boundaries, being and becoming the highest ethical values of humanity.

 

[JHE]

You (collective you) like my writing because;

cos it is fascinating
cos it is provocative
cos it is symbolic
cos it is seductive
cos it is passionate, impassioned
cos it is attractive
cos it is imaginative
cos it is serious
cos it is well grounded
cos it is cunjuring
cos it is dramaturgical
cos it is made with infinite love
cos it is cogent
cos it plays with our feelings and spirit
cos it is suggestive
cos it is intolerant
cos it is disquieting
cos it is allegorical
cos it is dialectical
cos it is political
cos it is historical
cos it is adventurous
cos it is suggestive of an adventure
cos it involves movement
cos it involves change
cos it is prophetic
cos it is always self renewing
cos it never stands still
cos it cannot be written off easily
cos it is always becoming
cos it is always progressing
cos it is against conservative thought in all its forms
cos its time has come
cos its time is the other time, a special time where the past meets the future
cos it is celestial
cos it is erotic, suggestive even
cos it is primitive
cos it is the continuation of the continual, mobile perpetuum of stimulation or of imagination
cos it makes the art of writing the writing of art
cos it makes politics an art and art political
cos it is incandecent, cauterising, burning, napalm
cos it is done with passion and fire
cos it is materialist
cos it makes objective chance conscious
cos it speaks of the possibilities and subjectivity within objectivity
cos it speaks of the objectivity of subjectivity
cos it allows the unconscious and supressed thoughts to be voiced
cos it is inexhaustible like a great thought
cos it is in the natural state it flows freely like a mighty river
cos it is truly free, i fear nothing and no one, the only thing to fear is fear itself
cos it is romantic in the great British tradition (William Blake, Morris etc)
cos it speaks with and of the power of autonomy
cos it speaks of a new and powerful romantic autonomy which is to come and can liberate everybody
cos it is surrealist, assimilating the greatest physical, chemical, sociological, psycho-geographical, physiological, psychological, criminological, psychoanalytical conquests and all science in development, and because it is free of all the conventional frontiers and boundaries, being and becoming the highest ethical values of humanity.

Sometimes, Brig, you are beyond mockery.

 

[The Black Hand]

Sometimes, Brig, you are beyond mockery.

Mockery I only find funny when aimed at the rich and powerful. Paul finding his photo button for instance is years behind the times and it fails cos it is meaningless and/or unintelligable to a lot of people.

 

[Paul Marsh]

A) Which 'little political sect' do you mean? Autonomous Class War?Conference of Socialist Economists, Capital and Class? Industrial Workers of the World? Mayday? North East Labour History? Platypus 1917? Socialist History? Durham Miners Association? UCATT? UCU?

And you will have exactly the same political experience with those groups as you have had with Class War, the AF, Sol Fed and the Projectile Film Festival.

The people in such 'groups' will read what you post on sites like this, observe how you interact with others, listen to your constant stream of ideas (none of which you have the ability to implement) and perhaps even read your 'analysis' of the far-right in Mayday.

They will conclude, as so many of your former comrades have, that you are suffering from mental health problems and best left alone and/or you are a liability to their groups and organisations.

Rather than doing anything about this, in the words of the old song by the Jam "you carry on because its all you know" .

Anyone visiting this site in 5 years time will no doubt be treated to the Anarchist equivalent of the mad old woman at the bus station who shouts at people. Only in your case, the mad old person has the word praxis in their vocabulary.

Before you respond with your usual "that's you that is" post, consider the fact that people have said this to you nicely, and they have said it to you nastily.

Just see yourself how so many others see you, for 5 minutes, and ask yourself - is this healthy?

 

[The Black Hand]

And you will have exactly the same political experience with those groups as you have had with Class War, the AF, Sol Fed and the Projectile Film Festival.

The people in such 'groups' will read what you post on sites like this, observe how you interact with others, listen to your constant stream of ideas (none of which you have the ability to implement) and perhaps even read your 'analysis' of the far-right in Mayday.

They will conclude, as so many of your former comrades have, that you are suffering from mental health problems and best left alone and/or you are a liability to their groups and organisations.

Rather than doing anything about this, in the words of the old song by the Jam "you carry on because its all you know" .

Anyone visiting this site in 5 years time will no doubt be treated to the Anarchist equivalent of the mad old woman at the bus station who shouts at people. Only in your case, the mad old person has the word praxis in their vocabulary.

Before you respond with your usual "that's you that is" post, consider the fact that people have said this to you nicely, and they have said it to you nastily.

Just see yourself how so many others see you, for 5 minutes, and ask yourself - is this healthy?

One of the things which came out of the Magna Carta, which your horrendously bad Class War political practice threw into the dustbin, is that there must be a charge, that people must be able to question the evidence and their accuser - otherwise there is no justice and no democracy.

Bullshit from the chief bullshitter. I've been involved with C & C since 1997! THe AF have not got an agreed policy on me - wow - to be so important. Projectile AFAIK are not a properly consitituted organisation (i never went to even ONE of their organising meetings) neither are Class War as that kangeroo court proved - the one with no charge - no evidence, or the questioning of evidence... SOl Fed do not have an agreed line on me either, I have never had ANYTHING to do with them.

That Mayday article on Autonomous Anti fascism IS good. It is new and interesting, rather than the moribund and dead which is your preferred political positions - let the people decide;

http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/~platypus1917/mayday_uk_issue1_win2007-08.pdf

'My constant stream of ideas which 'I am not able to implement'. Like MAYDAY you mean??? WTF are you talking about FFS. Your windbag blustering knows no bounds and that is because nobody challenges your bullshit except me. I have more knowledge of the real world than you, participate in more different and more intellectual groups than you, and I also know there is a difference between what there is and what might be. It shows how your lack of basic political comprehension colours your pathetic 'views'. My positions are dynamic, this is BASIC Hegelian Marxism. You though, do not know what Marxism is, and you have no knowledge of the working class movement and history. That IS tragic and it is also funny - that you do not even question your total lack of relevant knowledge.

So many of my former comrades! Do me a favour you bullshitter. You are talking about YOU. There is NOBODY else. Pickman does not count btw cos he has 'issues' of his own which have blown up cos of your treacherous behaviour. You all think you know best when you are not qualified to speak upon such issues at all. You have no experience or relevant qualifications to speak of. SO perhaps it IS you who has the mental health issues you are so KEEN to say I have, a simple case of projection. The real problem is Paul, to be honest. You are a jobsworth. You do not have the experience or knowledge of economics or politics to be in the position you have - you ARE woefully out of your depth. SO lacking in intellectual insight it is truly pathetic. YOU ARE GOING NOWHERE IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS COS YOU ARE THICK. There, I have said it

 

[Belushi]

Just see yourself how so many others see you, for 5 minutes, and ask yourself - is this healthy?

Seriously Attica, this is good advice. I dont know what your like irl but on here you come across as a nutter.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Attica has some interesting things to say, though I don't really follow these personal vendettas and emnity between him and other posters that seems based on some real life events that I know nothing of.

 

[The Black Hand]

Seriously Attica, this is good advice. I dont know what your like irl but on here you come across as a nutter.

The others I lock swords with do too then...

 

[Belushi]

The others I lock swords with do too then...

Well, some of them do

 

[The Black Hand]

Well, some of them do

The youngsters I forgive - the older ones should know better but don't. If what I say is so wrong then it will obviously be worthless - so why do they spend so much time having a go at me?? Look at Pauls posting history for example over the last 10 pages/500 posts - I am the only consistent issue he has beyond the meaningless chit chat

It is nice to be so important in his life, but he really should try politics and research as well as I on the other hand, do not worry nor talk about him anyhere near so much - only on occasions he chooses to attack me... Go see the evidence. I, as usual, come out of it smelling of roses It is him who has the obsessive delusional issues who is badly in need of cbt, that much is clear.

It is THEY who have the problems if truth is told - i have repeatedly said they bore me and I have no wish to debate with them as they are the old left - totally unsuited for political practice today (read Mayday issue 2 and the article 'beyond theory and practice')...

 

[The Black Hand]

Platypus1917 are a good group in Chicago

If you want to play with the grown ups (Paul and others);

Half-time team talk: Mayday (UK) response on Anarchism and Marxism
April 2008

For issue #2 (February 2008), Chris Cutrone wrote, in “On anarchism and Marxism: a response to Mayday magazine (UK),” on behalf of Platypus, that the principal difference between anarchism and Marxism lies in the way “history” figures in any present estimations of ideology, conscious political program and organization, at the levels both of the historical specificity of struggles for emancipation beyond the modern society of capital, and in the history of capital itself, of which a Marxian approach considers the history of the Left as an essential and not extrinsic part.

Platypus focuses on redeeming the problematic history of the Marxist Left, “against the grain” (Benjamin) of its more or less contingent or necessary outcomes, in order to discover and provoke conscious recognition of the historically obscured necessities for social-emancipatory political struggle in the present. Political organizations and parties and their programs need to be understood both as forms of action and as forms of memory.

The Platypus critique of anarchism is in its inability to grasp and act upon the specificities of the present as a moment in the history of capital—and what it would take to move beyond and not continue to repeat this history.

Addendum: Platypus recognizes anarchism both historically and at present as symptomatic of the failures of Marxism, as the bad conscience of the history of the Marxist Left, to be overcome only by working through and redeeming this history.

In the following, Trevor Bark writes in further response to Platypus for Mayday.

Platypus is a new group in Chicago that is rethinking the Marxist tradition, and they were quoted in Mayday issue #1. Chris Cutrone, for Platypus, has written a response to the Mayday issue #1 “Introduction: Open letter” in their February 2008 newsletter [The Platypus Review issue #2], raising many important questions, some of which will be addressed now.

Trying to force clear red water between an anarchist and a Marxist approach, Cutrone describes that a “key distinction is the relation of political organisation and historical consciousness.” This historical consciousness is primary for Platypus, and we hope Mayday addressed enough concerns with political practice and memory to be useful. For Mayday experience is a crucial factor, with a concentration on struggles. This is planned to result in praxis, which includes dynamic consciousness, which is grounded in the conditions of our time rather than the past, and has lessons for political organisation. In short, Mayday’s aims are similar to those of Platypus.

We entirely agree that revolutionary organisations should be able to justify themselves, but they are overwhelmingly arrogant and uncritical in the UK. There is little serious discussion of politics, no regular forums, and so on. The serious questions about how political action enables transformative action, “how does political organisation enable transformative, emancipatory, and not foreclosing action? How can the Left ‘live’ and take form not deadly to itself?,” are serious ones for us, even if the UK Left and anarchists ignore them. Specifically the danger of Left organising as a cult is a huge problem in the UK.

A recurring problem is the distinction and the differences between anarchism and the Left; for Mayday, we have dissolved the distinction as an impediment to theoretical and practical endeavours. For us the historical baggage either does not matter or is an impediment to greater unity and better politics; those who insist on hard lines effectively have created a sealed little bubble for themselves. Despite this argument new and interesting articles from both sides continue to appear on 1917 and after. But largely it is a debate for purists and not those looking to develop politics for now and tomorrow. The practices and methodology of Platypus however, are entirely correct for rethinking the Marxist tradition; we wish you well with your project.

We have some toes in the anarchist pool and some in the Labour movement. We are also conscious that a third pool needs to be built, and that is the area of autonomy, but that is already a few decades underway as the New Left already (in the UK at least) has inspired and contributed to the theory of existing autonomists (e.g. Harry Cleaver, University of Texas). Already autonomist practice and theory is very relevant to these discussions, and it is this hybrid, with others perhaps, which Mayday hopes may result in new liberation politics for our time.

One starting point for us has been the ultra voluntarism of anarchism, which demands anarchic responses to virtually all issues, but which is unsustainable because of the resulting arrest rates. That is not to say that confrontation and direct action have been relegated to unimportance for us. They have not; struggles are still our focal concern. This is similar to Platypus and their criticism (vis à vis Nicholas Spencer) of the anarchist tradition.

Platypus’s highlighting of the writing of history as being urgent for emancipatory politics is very worthwhile, and there are others before us who have thought this. In the UK the Communist Party Historians Group — Andrew Morton, Donna Torr, Eric Hobsbawm, E. P. Thompson et al already stated this in 1956—the year so many people left the Communist Party because of repression in Hungary; we “must become historians of the present too.” These British Marxist Historians are important forerunners of the traditions we would like to emulate, and we wholeheartedly concur with understanding “what changes while remaining the same?” The British Left/Labour movement problem however is at an advanced stage; our Left, the oldest in the world perhaps, has unique characteristics of its advanced fossilization.

Our practice already is with the best parts of this tradition, though we are not in a position to overcome it, yet. We also draw wisdom from Antonio Negri, that “organisation is spontaneity that reflects upon itself,” which is a good description of where we are at. Mayday personnel currently derive from different experiences, gatekeepers of at least three important cycles of struggles, were all participants, and we view the next struggles to be as important as the older ones. We want to have an informed basis for the new struggles to come. They will not be totally new, there will always be some connections with the past, but we do aim, with Lukács, to be “those who can see the furthest.”

Platypus further raises an important issue of “when” was the Left, not only “where” it was or where it is. Indeed, this is an interesting historical note, and theirs is a great point; we cannot better it: “We do not live in some timeless and perpetual present of oppression and struggle against it, but in… ‘the time of now’ (Jetztzeit), a time of particular and fleeting possibilities and the ambiguously obscure history that brought them—us—into existence.”

 

[Nigel]

There were ex acefers but they were not an organsational split from A(C)F.

Let the AWG be lesson to you all, you busy men behind the scenes, men about town, shush, go through me no one else style bravados

I think the politics of the AWG were closer to the ACF than that of the SWP(particularly in Southampton branch). But by your semantic outlook you are probably right.

More interestingly what happened to Syndiclist Fight (Medway DAM). They (according to some of their members did join SWP) They were fucking mad